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[Blue highway]

Lower DCFC rates.

actually I am in favor of raising DCFC rates. As a matter of policy we should discourage people from using DCFC instead of L2 at home. If you don't have a place to charge at home or work, please don't buy an EV...yet.

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[Deleted member 19354]

I’m guessing higher prices at the pimps

Haha. I didn’t even catch that!

 

[Space_Pony]

actually I am in favor of raising DCFC rates. As a matter of policy we should discourage people from using DCFC instead of L2 at home. If you don't have a place to charge at home or work, please don't buy an EV...yet.

So you're in favor of fewer DCFC stations. That would sure save a lot of taxpayer's money.

 

[MABachE131]

I never see any commercials anymore. When there are commercials it's just a normal car commercial. They need to highlight benefits of owning EVs in the commercials. Not to mention, how fun they are to drive.

 

[nvabill]

Maybe you can find some ideas in this 16 page thread! ?

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ford-has-huge-inventory-of-mach-e.33165/

 

[Phil Martin]

Mach-e and Lightning sales are down, but IMHO, people's interest is still there. So, what is it going to take to translate interest into sales. Lower prices? New battery technology, like solid state? Longer range? Or, will sales be in this valley until the second generation comes out in 2026?

I was I big EV enthusiast until a couple years ago. Road trip charging with all the busted or slow chargers started to kill my interest. The novelty has worn too.

 

[AKgrampy]

If I lived in Ak, and had only one car it would be ICE. I have no idea how you tolerate the crazy cold.

Living in a more temperate place (Oregon) both my cars are electric.

When they make one that gets over 400 miles of range hauling up to 5 grandkids and multiple mountain bikes I might also go that route if living in the lower 48. Until then I am not sure I would go EV squared.

 

[phil]

So, what is it going to take to translate interest into sales.

That sounds like a great question to post on a car dealers' forum.

 

[DennisD]

Mach-e and Lightning sales are down, but IMHO, people's interest is still there. So, what is it going to take to translate interest into sales. Lower prices? New battery technology, like solid state? Longer range? Or, will sales be in this valley until the second generation comes out in 2026?

The drop in EV Sales (IMHO) has occurred on multiple fronts.

1. Republicans in general rail against them (almost half of the Country)
2. Gas prices have dropped
3. Cold weather is not kind to EV's in general
4. Cost to purchase is higher than their ICE counter part along with insuring them
5. The leading Car Manufacturing of EV's is unstable. (that is being kind btw)
6. New tech. is intimidating to some and those that embrace it have already purchased one. Small niche if you will.

My personal take is that I would never exclusively own an EV. I drive mine mainly in the Summer time and it is used for my business and I drive occasionally on "personal time". I like the way it drives but if I did not have hybrids/ICE cars along side of my EV I would be worried about traveling far with it.

Just like computers back when they were first introduced, EV's will eventually improve vastly and be more common. I do think that if hydrogen (or some other alternative energy) takes hold, all bets are off.

 

[Mach1E]

Rising Tesla prices would help.

When the competition drops their prices $22-50k per model, that makes a huge difference.

I would bet a lot of potential Mach E buyers went with a Model Y in 2023 for that reason.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

The drop in EV Sales (IMHO) has occurred on multiple fronts.

1. Republicans in general rail against them (almost half of the Country)
2. Gas prices have dropped
3. Cold weather is not kind to EV's in general
4. Cost to purchase is higher than their ICE counter part along with insuring them
5. The leading Car Manufacturing of EV's is unstable. (that is being kind btw)
6. New tech. is intimidating to some and those that embrace it have already purchased one. Small niche if you will.

My personal take is that I would never exclusively own an EV. I drive mine mainly in the Summer time and it is used for my business and I drive occasionally on "personal time". I like the way it drives but if I did not have hybrids/ICE cars along side of my EV I would be worried about traveling far with it.

Just like computers back when they were first introduced, EV's will eventually improve vastly and be more common. I do think that if hydrogen (or some other alternative energy) takes hold, all bets are off.

Your political bias is showing through. The vast majority of Americans don't really care about politics except for 1 month every 4 years. It's just the fringe makes the most noise.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/03/cars/tesla-buyer-politics/index.html

30% of Tesla owners are republican while 38% are democrats. Not exactly a huge difference. And can be explained away by the fact that democrats tend to live in the city where there are more superchargers than republicans who tends to live in more rural areas with less public charging and EVs makes less sense.

as for #5. Unstable as in price? If so, I would word it as Ford is not competitive compared to the competition price wise. But if you mean unstable as in Elon, well, they still increase year over year growth by 38% despite not having a new product since 2020. And that's despite the increasing number of new products from other OEMs.

Truth is, people buy what suits them. And EVs are still not convenient for a large portion of country. Their negatives do not outweigh the positive in the eyes of many. Also despite all the hoopla, a lot of people do not care or care enough about "climate change" to affect their spending habits.

 

[Blue highway]

So you're in favor of fewer DCFC stations. That would sure save a lot of taxpayer's money.

the number of DCFC and the price they charge are two different things...

When I come to power and rule the world ? there will be 20x as many DCFC stations as there are now... but they would cost enough to discourage people using them as their primary charging station. The truth is we are entering a spiral with DCFC... As people use these as their primary charging, lines extend around cities and road tripping becomes worse. It will take at least a decade to build enough DCFC to accommodate treating these things like gas pumps...

 

[ctenidae]

Mach-e and Lightning sales are down, but IMHO, people's interest is still there. So, what is it going to take to translate interest into sales. Lower prices? New battery technology, like solid state? Longer range? Or, will sales be in this valley until the second generation comes out in 2026?

Yes

 

[ThatGuyLando]

Interest is still there, infrastructure is not. Opening more chargers would be nice, but if they don't maintain them then it will be pointless. Chargers are sadly breaking down and the support numbers you call just try to remote reboot and if that doesn't work the charger could be down for months.

Not only do we need multiple apps to start the chargers but we also need dedicated and often pretty flawed, crowd sourced apps like plugshare to tell us if it's even worth trying to stop at one.

Until those issues are fixed I don't think we will see a boom in sales besides early adopters like us.

 

[MacherAWD]

The GOP generally believes the market should dictate EV adoption and the GOP generally believes in low-cost energy. Lower electricity prices mean lower fueling EV at the charger. The GOP generally believe if the Government is going to fund EV adoption use of American materials and labor should be a priority.

The classic GOP which has been gone for the last 10 years. The current MAGA GOP runs on the whims and fancies of a loon.

Yes we all long for the idea of the classic GOP but that is gone.

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