Mach-E GT / GT Performance: Motors, Suspension and Other Differences – Discussion

[Carmel Mach E Auto]

Yes the 0-60's are close but the GT PE would really distinguish itself from the GT on a track.

While that is how they are being marketed, and the PE would no doubt outperform the standard GT on a track, I think some of the additional features have significant tangible value on the street.

I chose the PE mainly for the more supportive seats and the electronically damped suspension. This was primarily because some of the few complaints about the Mach-E I've read about here and elsewhere on the internet are the sometimes bouncy ride and the somewhat flat, non-sporty seats. Indeed my test drive in a non-GT Mach-E supported those criticisms (but I absolutely loved the vehicle nevertheless). Is it worth the additional $5k just to get those upgrades? Well, I've bought other performance vehicles where suspension and seat upgrades were in the $2-3k range each and I've typically passed on those. But, since I want maximum comfort along with high perofmrnace for this vehicle - it's going to be the family SUV after all - I decided to ignore the "track bread" marketing and go those upsells on this vehicle.

Just my two cents on it.

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[buzznwood]

The only reason I went down the GTPE vs GT route was down to it being the only way to get the magneride on a mach-e this was my reason for my initial reservation being for the GT, I am not opposed to sporty rides having owned numerous performance fords over the years however due to the heavy weight of a BEV I feel a form of adaptive suspension is really a must have option to get the balance right between comfort and handling

As for the rest of what comes on the GTPE vs GT the forged wheel vs cast in theory should make the wheel a bit lighter so that is a plus point, the rest of differences I find very minimal and not what I would class as worthy of a true performance upgrade so class it more as the minimal amount to satisfy a marketing term.

What I didn't like about the GTPE vs GT was that if you wanted the 360 camera, you had to add the glass roof and until I see lots of data on how it performs in hot 100+F weather the glass roof was not an option I was going to take the risk on. I feel that forcing them to be bundled together by Ford was poor form seeing as they are separate options on the GT.

The final current unknown for me is the interior, if the spec sheet is to be believed the GTPE gets a major down grade with a manual passenger seat, I am currently sitting in the hope that it is typo camp as if turns up for collection at the dealer late summer with a manual seat on a 65k car I will walk away and spend my hard earned coin on a BEV from another manufacture.

 

[ARK]

The final current unknown for me is the interior, if the spec sheet is to be believed the GTPE gets a major down grade with a manual passenger seat, I am currently sitting in the hope that it is typo camp as if turns up for collection at the dealer late summer with a manual seat on a 65k car I will walk away and spend my hard earned coin on a BEV from another manufacture.

Lots of performance oriented vehicles start to lose creature comforts on the extreme performance oriented trims as a weight saving measure. I would not be surprised if Ford did this with the GT PE.

But it's sort of like the 'how much range do you actually need' thing. How often would the passenger seat have to be adjusted for this to be a factor? How often will you have a passenger sitting there where a slightly inferior seat wouldn't be acceptable?

 

[Mach Daddy]

While that is how they are being marketed, and the PE would no doubt outperform the standard GT on a track, I think some of the additional features have significant tangible value on the street.

I chose the PE mainly for the more supportive seats and the electronically damped suspension. This was primarily because some of the few complaints about the Mach-E I've read about here and elsewhere on the internet are the sometimes bouncy ride and the somewhat flat, non-sporty seats. Indeed my test drive in a non-GT Mach-E supported those criticisms (but I absolutely loved the vehicle nevertheless). Is it worth the additional $5k just to get those upgrades? Well, I've bought other performance vehicles where suspension and seat upgrades were in the $2-3k range each and I've typically passed on those. But, since I want maximum comfort along with high perofmrnace for this vehicle - it's going to be the family SUV after all - I decided to ignore the "track bread" marketing and go those upsells on this vehicle.

Just my two cents on it.

Those are solid points I can agree with. I guess for my daily routes I don't think I will see much of a difference, I also have test driven the ME Premium and thought it rode well. If I lived in downtown or Seattle proper then I would have thought harder about the PE.

 

[JohnnyForensic]

So I am really thinking about getting GT, but here is what I want to understand:
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1. There is some sort of "copilot 360 2.0" package which gives all around camera view, but one thing the salesman told & showed me is that it only works on P when car is still. And from what he explained it seems that there is NO way to display a deadzone camera on a screen WHILE DRIVING, is that really true or maybe the salesman was not knowledgeable? He told me there is some sort of an LED indicator w/sound on mirror when something is in your deadzone...but that is NOT what I am looking for. Even in my old 2015 Honda CRV I can for example constantly turn on side(right) mirror camera and display deadzone, and screen also projects horizontal lines which indicate me whether or not its good idea to change lane without touching the car on right lane or not.

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The "deadzone camera" down the right side you're talking about on your Honda is the old Honda LaneWatch system. I have it on my 2014 Accord Hybrid as well. Almost nobody else does that, and even Honda doesn't really do it anymore. I have a 2019 Acura RDX Advance SH-AWD also, and even IT doesn't have the LaneWatch system (though interestingly, there is a placeholder for it in the vehicle equipment settings mechanic mode). The Acura (and my 2019 Honda Odyssey EX-L, which also doesn't have LaneWatch) uses a similar system to Ford where they place a lit icon toward the mirror to show someone is in your blindspot. (Ford puts it on the mirror, Acura and Honda put it on the A-pillar inside.) I hated losing LaneWatch also when I gave up the '14 Accord Hybrid to my kid, but I just think it isn't much of a thing anymore.

I think the Ford system works very similar to the Acura's for the 360 Camera view in that it works in low speed conditions only. In the Acura it comes on when I go into reverse (along with the regular rear camera too), and I can force it to come on when going forward, albeit it disappears at about 10 Mph).

Similar with the MME, anyone?

 

[e-pony]

So I am really thinking about getting GT, but here is what I want to understand:

1. So GT is 600lbs-ft and GT Performance is 634lbs-ft, both with same HP. I want to know if the difference is THAT much seen between the two? I do imagine that difference is huge between GT and Premium, but what about feels of GT vs GT engine performance? also, how viable is this 3.8s/60 vs 3.5s/60 between two, since I can hardly imagine one can even catch it with eye?
2. Next question is difference between GT and GT Performance in terms of suspension; so, it seems to me that GT Performance has this "Magneride" thingy which updates every 1ms or so to adjust suspension, is it implied that the suspension of GT Performance is electronically controlled in real time during drive according to conditions?
   And also, what kind of suspension would be in regular GT? is it also electronically controlled but not real time adjusted or what? Can someone bring more details about the operation principle of suspension both in GT and GT performance and where would the difference in suspension between both be really seen and felt?
3. There is some sort of "copilot 360 2.0" package which gives all around camera view, but one thing the salesman told & showed me is that it only works on P when car is still. And from what he explained it seems that there is NO way to display a deadzone camera on a screen WHILE DRIVING, is that really true or maybe the salesman was not knowledgeable? He told me there is some sort of an LED indicator w/sound on mirror when something is in your deadzone...but that is NOT what I am looking for. Even in my old 2015 Honda CRV I can for example constantly turn on side(right) mirror camera and display deadzone, and screen also projects horizontal lines which indicate me whether or not its good idea to change lane without touching the car on right lane or not. So is it doable with this "copilot 360 2.0" $1.9k package or No?
   because if it is not... I really do not see value in adding it in (and btw you are forced to have it with GT Perforamnce IF you select glass roof, but in regular GT you can get glass roof and NOT that copilot thingy
4. Would embedded GPS/Navigation be included in regular GT? (not GT Performance)
5. Do both GT and GT Performance have actively COOLED batteries?
6. What level of cruise control will regular GT (without copilot 360 package) have?
7. And lastly, did I catch the most important differences between the two, or there is something else I might be missing what could be considered a big deal?

Magnaride Magnaride Magnaride. That and bragging rights re 0-60 over Tesla.
Unfortunately not worth the cost nor the wait. Begs the question about hopeful availability of low cost shock-dampers or whatever to overcome the “bumpy” ride of the Premium.

 

[buzznwood]

Lots of performance oriented vehicles start to lose creature comforts on the extreme performance oriented trims as a weight saving measure. I would not be surprised if Ford did this with the GT PE.

But it's sort of like the 'how much range do you actually need' thing. How often would the passenger seat have to be adjusted for this to be a factor? How often will you have a passenger sitting there where a slightly inferior seat wouldn't be acceptable?

If the GTPE had used some lightweight carbon shell race seat I could understand driver and passenger being manual, however these seats while sporty are not race seats. .

Everyone has different ideas of deal breakers, the existing powered passenger seat does not have memory so its not like it is the lap of luxury when it comes to creature comforts, if the GT can have a powered passenger seat so should the GTPE. I won't be the only one driving the mach-e and will end up spending just as long sitting in the passenger seat as the drivers.

My focus ST3 as was sold in Europe came with an 8 way powered driver & passenger seat with extendable thigh supports, while my USA focus spec ST3 came with a 6-way powered driver a manual passenger and no extendable thigh supports there was also a whole host of other bits that all went AWOL from then euro version but at the price I got it I was willing to put up with it.

It probably seems harsh but for the price point of the GTPE a manual passenger seat is just unacceptable to me so I will just walk away if it turns out to have one as I have already had my fill of fords bean counting, for others it will be no dig deal which is fine as if I don't purchase it then there will be a GTPE sitting on a dealers lot ready for someone else.

 

[ARK]

It probably seems harsh but for the price point of the GTPE a manual passenger seat is just unacceptable to me so I will just walk away if it turns out to have one as I have already had my fill of fords bean counting, for others it will be no dig deal which is fine as if I don't purchase it then there will be a GTPE sitting on a dealers lot ready for someone else.

That’s fair, we each have our own redlines. For me it was the black-only interior on the First Edition, and double-whammy of a black only interior and Miko seat inserts on the GT.

 

[Brazenbuck]

For those who haven't driven a vehicle with Magnaride, I suggest finding a Mustang GT with it. Better yet, A/B test one with and without it. The dampers are adjustable via drive modes, but they're also dynamic. Even on a smooth road the Magnaride dampers will adjust based on speed, steering angle and body roll.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I chose GT-PE pretty much just for the Magneride suspension. I hate that the Co-Pilot 360 Active 2.0 forces the glass roof. I would spend the extra $$ for the camera/cruise system but I refuse to have the glass roof.

Ford, are you listening? Please un-bundle.

 

[protatoblt]

Does Magneride allow you to raise your car's suspension or anything or no control over the ride height?

 

[Brazenbuck]

Does Magneride allow you to raise your car's suspension or anything or no control over the ride height?

It doesn’t control ride height. They only vary in damping.

 

[mwsno]

I do like the GT wheels more than the GTPE (odd one out). Wish I could grab the Magneride though.

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