Mach-E vs. 2025 Kia EV6

[Unobtanium]

Better charging comes with some huge asterisks.

1. They are pretty terrible at V3 Superchargers, which are shaping up to be the backbone of the nation's charging network. Seems like you'll be lucky to get 100kW?



2. Lots of L1/L2 OBCC issues throttling L2 charging. Not sure if Kia/Hyundai has fixed those issues.

Better warranty is debatable, Kia/Hyundai is pretty notorious for squirming out of repair bills.

Oh look! An actual bit of substance.

1) Tesla charging remains a sore spot. Where I am though, nacs and ccs are about equal, and in same location. Definitely something for user to consider!

2) Kia had not at all squirmed on anything. In fact, they seem super happy to do work. An annoying aspect of the ev6 is that its so quiet that you can hear the cabin pressure relief vents in the back move. I took the car in for this and they thought it was a bad shock when they rode in it with a techs ear pressed to the area. They authorized, ordered, and replaced it almost like they got paid double time to do it. It was wild. That said, Kia service is not great at many Kia dealers. Definitely YMMV.

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[Unobtanium]

Personally, I like the looks of the EV6 and Ioniq 5 and 6. And you can't argue their 800V architecture is superior to ours. However, if I were to buy one, I'd be spending some time in their equivalent forums to this one to get a sense of their real-world experience. I would also avoid their lower trim packages, which I have heard described as "economy rental car quality."

Anyway, this is the "versus the competition" section of the forum, so at least any fanboi smack-talk is in the right place. Put perceived trolls on Ignore, and be happier!

The talk about ev6 lower trims is spot on. Gt Line or GT. The Wind trims leave you feeling very cold about the money spent. Even in my GT, I think the bulk of money went to chassis and powertrain, with the interior being maybe one price point below.

 

[DesignMatters]

I do not see that user's posts. You're well on your way to joining them. At a whopping total of 4 posts on the forum, you may want to show better manners in general here towards others.

Ahh, so you blocked the troll, unobtanium, I see -- may be a good idea for all of us with him.

My manners are impeccable, but I don't suffer trolls well in any forum, especially not butt of all car brand jokes, Kia owners.

Cheers and peace.

 

[DesignMatters]

You found this post in a thread asking to compare an EV6 to a Mach E. I did. Now you're breaking code of conduct and insulting me because 1) you dont like it, and 2) you can't refute my points.

You're nothing if not persistent. Here are the facts that you couldn't suss out:

1. Korean brand dealers are horrific and Kia is the worst among all mainstream brands (look it up). Kia is the butt of all car brand jokes overtaking the spot Hyundai used to occupy before lil brother Kia came on the scene.

2. You're blocked by many on here and called out as a troll by even more -- I wonder why!? Hmmmm.

3. You are the Korean version of a Vette owner, per your own posts. "Other than the styling, dealers and brand reputation my XYZ car has better specs than yours". Funny sh*t actually.

4. You didn't do the homework to see the EV6 suffered the largest sales decline of any mid-priced EV...while MME sales were up. MME has 3.4% market share more than 2X your sales declining Kia.

See despite your spec regurgitation, Styling and Brand matter A LOT and Ford is winning with the gap growing bigger in '24 with the EV6 ever further behind.

Your car values and POV are that of an outlier and the market data proves it. Move along troll to the Kia forums where you can reinforce each others delusions. Bye and good luck, gonna Mark Twain's advice with you.

 

[Rocket Man]

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Your car values and POV are that of an outlier and the market data proves it. Move along troll to the Kia forums where you can reinforce each others delusions. Bye and good luck, gonna Mark Twain's advice with you.

Wow, been here 4 days and thinks he's a moderator.
The other guy makes some good points and I think he's right on about 96%. Seems you have a problem with Kia and Corvettes. I think the majority of real car guys would disagree. Now why don't you move along?

 

[DesignMatters]

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Wow, been here 4 days and thinks he's a moderator.
The other guy makes some good points and I think he's right on about 96%. Seems you have a problem with Kia and Corvettes. I think the majority of real car guys would disagree. Now why don't you move along?

Says the guy on the Ford page, buying a Hyundai. Can't make this stuff up it seems.

 

[Rocket Man]

I didn't realize owning a Ford was required to participate here. I also own Ford, Chevy and Dodge cars. Not a fanboi of any. I like lots of cars.

 

[LincolnLuvr]

Insults are fine, but if you cannot back them with contrary data, you come off as an ignorant fanboy.

Kia and Hyundai 12v battery issues stem from ICCU issues. Specifically, the original software is faulty. An update has come out to prevent issues and Kia and Hyundai are replacing any damaged units for free and then updating software to prevent recurrent issue.

Fords issues in the Mach E are physical and due to desgin. Only a gen 2, if you will, will fix this.

This is not a general Mach E vs. EV6 thread. This is re: discussion about the upcoming 2025 EV6 which YOU DO NOT OWN. So please take your posts elsewhere.

 

[Rocket Man]

Wow, another moderator wanna be. Evidently you don't own either one. At least he owns an EV6 so I think his opinion is valid. And you, like me, are deciding what vehicle to purchase.

 

[LincolnLuvr]

Wow, another moderator wanna be. Evidently you don't own either one. At least he owns an EV6 so I think his opinion is valid. And you, like me, are deciding what vehicle to purchase.

I created this thread as a Mach-E vs. 2025 EV6 discussion thread. None of your posts or Unobtanium posts are about the 2025 EV6. Feel free to start your own thread comparing the Mach-E to the EV6.

I've already notified the mods to clean up this thread of irrelevant posts.

 

[Rocket Man]

me too

 

[KevinS]

I created this thread as a Mach-E vs. 2025 EV6 discussion thread. None of your posts or Unobtanium posts are about the 2025 EV6. Feel free to start your own thread comparing the Mach-E to the EV6.

I've already notified the mods to clean up this thread of irrelevant posts.

Using the Ignore button is the easiest solution.

 

[Unobtanium]

The 2025 headlights should offer notably better visibility vs the outgoing 2024 ev6s headlights. No quantifiable data exists, but they will be limited in lux and lumens by federal regulation.

There. That covers the main difference. It is possible the 84kwh battery will trickle down from the HI5N, though. This would net a bit more range, but how much is debatable, as comparing my GT to I5N owners, we appear to get similar real world range, and the rating disparity by epa is only 3mi different.

The 12v battery and ICCU issue is cureently fixed by new software. That will come preinstalled on 2025 cars of course.


What redesign or updates is the Mach E getting?

 

[Unobtanium]

You're nothing if not persistent. Here are the facts that you couldn't suss out:

1. Korean brand dealers are horrific and Kia is the worst among all mainstream brands (look it up). Kia is the butt of all car brand jokes overtaking the spot Hyundai used to occupy before lil brother Kia came on the scene.

2. You're blocked by many on here and called out as a troll by even more -- I wonder why!? Hmmmm.

3. You are the Korean version of a Vette owner, per your own posts. "Other than the styling, dealers and brand reputation my XYZ car has better specs than yours". Funny sh*t actually.

4. You didn't do the homework to see the EV6 suffered the largest sales decline of any mid-priced EV...while MME sales were up. MME has 3.4% market share more than 2X your sales declining Kia.

See despite your spec regurgitation, Styling and Brand matter A LOT and Ford is winning with the gap growing bigger in '24 with the EV6 ever further behind.

Your car values and POV are that of an outlier and the market data proves it. Move along troll to the Kia forums where you can reinforce each others delusions. Bye and good luck, gonna Mark Twain's advice with you.

Pictures are worth a thousand words. Let us know when you get a performance car and we can debate more. In the mean time, you have a very nice commuter. Enjoy it.

 

[Unobtanium]

I didn't realize owning a Ford was required to participate here. I also own Ford, Chevy and Dodge cars. Not a fanboi of any. I like lots of cars.

Same, I've owned:


P71 Police interceptor with engine swap
1995 Trans Am
1988 5.0 GT, heavily modded
2001 WS.6 Trans Am
2002 Infiniti G20
2011 Z06
2012 370Z
2010 Jeep WK1 HEMI/Limited/QD2
2015 CX5 AWD Mazda
2019 CX5 Turbo Mazda
2021 RAV4 Prime
2022 Acura RDX ASPEC ADV
2023 Volvo C40
2023 EV6 GT (Current)

In order.

You can see a whole lot of brands, there, and over this ownership experience, and being extremely OCD and actually looking at the cars in detail (paint gauge thickness, watching recalls over the years, closely monitoring engine oil, blah blah blah), I've come to certain conclusions. I also used to sell cars for a Ford dealer. People can fanboy over whatever they look, and that's cool, but I am not a brand loyalist. One thing I CAN tell you, though, is that over my lifetime, Ford has always cut corners that directly affect performance in an effort to churn out a car (in 1996 the 4.6L engine in the SN95, in 2004 the panhard bar and SRA in the 2005 Mustang GT, in 2015 the Chinese made manual transmissions in the mustang GT, on and on and on until we get to their Mach E with horrible thermal management and 5 second throttle limits. You can fanboy and argue all you want, the data and facts speak for themselves).
GM has always known their way around a suspension and engine. Japanese built cars are assembled with a pride and attention to detail that shows---even my Acura RDX, which is a subsidiary of Honda, but was built in the US, shows none of the care my Japanese cars did. Body panel gaps, everything, it was just not assembled with that pride and attention to precision detail. My Kia actually reminds me of GM+Mazda. Amazing powertrain, assembly is impeccable, and the suspension is very very good. However, like Mazda, the interior is "premium" and not "Luxury".

Kia brings a high quality level of immaturity to the table...hey...what if we sell a $60K EV but shove motors in it similar to Tesla's 21,000rpm+ motors? Oh, and let's hire Albert Biermann to design the suspension! You know what bro!? Let's not give it any top speed limiters except software to protect the motors...Germans like 155mph? Let's see...math with gearing says we got 162! Oh...and broski!? A DRIFT MODE! Let the owner turn all the nannies off and program the rear motor for full send as soon as they touch the go pedal! SMOKE SHOW! Oh, yeah, and let's throw near racing seats in it, because race car. Kia literally sells you a car pretty similar to Ford's press/demo/concept 1-off stunt type cars. You simply won't find anyone doing nonsense like the Koreans since the 90's when GM decided to randomly slip LT4 cams in some LT1 cars, or when Ford was like "Bro...let's test the Terminator to 100 full redline clutch drops to make sure she good! And...bhahahaha! Lets um...let's just rate the car's power at what it puts to the pavement." The Koreans just bring a high quality level of immaturity to the table that you don't find in any other brand today. As an automotive enthusiast, that speaks to me.

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