Model 3 Highland Performance now with 2.9 0-60 and magnaride'ish

[RogueLegend]

Pls check again, my neighbor‘s new 2024 Model 3 Long Range has the same Autopilot as my 2023 M3P. As for long repair wait times, Tesla isn’t much better than Ford, if at all. Owners of both brands need to realize there are still growing pains because they continue to push the envelope, at least Ford has a viable excuse because compared to Tesla they don’t have the breadth of experience = less excuses for Tesla screw-ups.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-reduces-fsd-enhanced-autopilot/

Reread what I said- they removed it from new vehicles. Maybe I could've added the term "purchases," but citing your 2023 vehicle doesn't seem to qualify as "new".

I agree neither is great in terms of repairs, but part if the reason why I bought a Mach-E over a MY is the fact that if there is an issue, there's a loaner.

Vehicles fail, but how they fail and how the dealer/manufacturer responds makes a big difference. I went from an F- Face to an I-Pace, and the support experience went downhill with Jaguar, including the dealer limiting loaners even in cases of factory recalls. I still like Tesla and am holding investments with them for a few reasons (the SC network), but after seeing how many missing features the CT launched with and the back and forth over FSD hardware support/upgrades, I preferred Fords approach of a more complete vehicle with a clear set of deliverables. This was my second time considering a MY, and the vehicle hadn't improved enough on the fundamentals of met the claims it made with FSD for me to feel like it would be a good experience. Hopefully you're having the experience you wanted with your M3.

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[azerik]

T might have a pretty bad repair history but the number of EV's they've produced that needed work the ratio of issues might not be that high.

 

[ARK]

I just got a Mach E like a week or two ago. I was looking at Teslas, but I dunno, just feels like a lot of cut corners in areas that I specifically care about. Not that they're not awesome cars, but Carplay / 360 overhead camera are two "make or break" functions on cars for me now. I struggle to see myself buying the Rivians / Teslas of the world while they ban features like that.

It’s not the most exciting thing, but when considering all the cool features the Mach-E has, the one that has increased my day-to-day enjoyment of driving the vehicle the most compared to past ones I have owned is the 360 degree camera.

Especially with those curb-loving rims, I feel like Tesla should implement this already.

 

[Vulnox]

Appreciate both manufacturers have issues but I expected more from Ford (hence why I purchased the Mach E).

In my personal circle (small sample size), I don’t know any Tesla owners that have experienced similar issues within the first 5 years of ownership.

My parent's neighbor has a 2021 Model X that has been towed to the Tesla service station (which isn't easy as the closest one used to be in Ohio, now they have one in MI, but it's still 45 minutes away). Most recent issue was he completely lost power steering. He's an old guy too, in his 80s. But he has seen the Tesla service center more in just the last 6 months than our MME has seen since we got it in September of 2022, which isn't hard since our MME has never been in for service aside from the 10k mile tire rotation.

Tesla Powertrain is pretty outstanding, but every other major mechanical part is fairly substandard. Ford isn't without its faults, by any stretch, but I am just countering the idea that somehow buying a Tesla means you would for sure be better off as you seemed to imply by them looking "better and better" when they just put a stop sale on their $120k "truck" and there are almost daily stories of issues with it.

Lemons happen with every manufacturer, and I feel the MME has had a pretty stable life in terms of issues. If you take out the delays in OTA stuff and focus just on warranty issues they seem to be pretty solid aside from some teething issues in Job 1 2021s. The HVBJB stuff though dragged on longer than it should have, no doubt about that.

 

[HuntingPudel]

<SNIP>
Lemons happen with every manufacturer,
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^This!^ ??

Most of my neighbors with Teslas have had relatively few problems with them. I have only had the HVBJB issue (and a Ford server-side authentication issue with FordPass). ??

On the flip side, one of my neighbors’ kids was moving earlier his year and seized the engine in his 2021 WRX STi with 18K miles on it. Subaru wants him to pay for a new engine. ??

 

[azerik]

Especially with those curb-loving rims, I feel like Tesla should implement this already.

#2 reason I can't own a M3 yet. #5 reason I bought my MME

 

[HuntingPudel]

#2 reason I can't own a M3 yet. #5 reason I bought my MME

Meh, cameras. I wanted them. I was willing to pay for them. Ford would not let me buy them. Idiots. They have rectified this as of the 2024 model year. Juuuuuust a bit outside. ??

 

[azerik]

One Job Job One life does kinda suck.

 

[MME72BB]

My parent's neighbor has a 2021 Model X that has been towed to the Tesla service station (which isn't easy as the closest one used to be in Ohio, now they have one in MI, but it's still 45 minutes away). Most recent issue was he completely lost power steering. He's an old guy too, in his 80s. But he has seen the Tesla service center more in just the last 6 months than our MME has seen since we got it in September of 2022, which isn't hard since our MME has never been in for service aside from the 10k mile tire rotation.

Tesla Powertrain is pretty outstanding, but every other major mechanical part is fairly substandard. Ford isn't without its faults, by any stretch, but I am just countering the idea that somehow buying a Tesla means you would for sure be better off as you seemed to imply by them looking "better and better" when they just put a stop sale on their $120k "truck" and there are almost daily stories of issues with it.

Lemons happen with every manufacturer, and I feel the MME has had a pretty stable life in terms of issues. If you take out the delays in OTA stuff and focus just on warranty issues they seem to be pretty solid aside from some teething issues in Job 1 2021s. The HVBJB stuff though dragged on longer than it should have, no doubt about that.

Partially agree and I wish Canada protected consumes like most US states. 2+ month repair times mean nothing here and there is little incentive to prioritize parts for Canadian customers.

In terms of reliability, it appears the HVJB continues to haunt 2022 and 2023 models. Couple that with widespread failure of the coolant diverter valve, engine oil gaskets and rear rotors, I would say cracks are starting to show.

 

[Vulnox]

Partially agree and I wish Canada protected consumes like most US states. 2+ month repair times mean nothing here and there is little incentive to prioritize parts for Canadian customers.

In terms of reliability, it appears the HVJB continues to haunt 2022 and 2023 models. Couple that with widespread failure of the coolant diverter valve, engine oil gaskets and rear rotors, I would say cracks are starting to show.

Eh, cracks are only starting to show if you can provide stats that show those issues to be impacting even a moderate number of customers. Some 2022/2023 owners have had HVBJB issues, but nowhere near the rate of 2021 and early 2022 drivers. I have a 2022 and haven't had an issue, and anyone that was on this site during the peak of HVBJB failures would say the rate of reporting on them is waaaaaay lower. Not excusing it, but there isn't a vehicle on earth, by any manufacturer, that doesn't have its minority issues that crop up.

Same goes for the other items you mentioned, a couple I haven't even heard of (the rear rotors one mainly). Forums bring for people that have issues at a higher rate than the general public because people are looking for answers. Even then, those don't appear to be hugely impacting at this point, just some annoyances that some are seeing.

You can go to any vehicle site, Toyota, Honda, any of them, and they will have a few of those minor "known issues" for the platform. I don't count those at the same level as items that lead to recalls and that, but I also DID NOT say Ford was perfect or the MME was perfect, and a few minority of the minority issues don't change that it's a pretty reliable vehicle for a vast majority.

 

[4sallypat]

Wife test drove the '24 M3 Highland and I thought they did a much better job with the suspension, interior road noise (less due to thicker glass all around), and comfy ride.

But the only thing that bothered her: 1PD only.

Regen could not be adjusted for 2PD use.

Tesla sales rep was able to set a less aggressive 1PD for her but still felt like it lurches.

That was the deal breaker for her.

She, like me - hates 1PD - very unnatural after driving 2PD and 3PD for decades.

For me, 1PD makes me nauseated due to the lurching when I have to jump on the brakes due to cars cutting in front during traffic (7 days a week in So Calif).

 

[Dear_OP]

It was opposite for my wife and I. We were pleasantly surprised at the Model 3 Highlander smooth 1PD set-up vs. the MME. We kept lurching around in the MME like a bucking bronco at slow speed. Weird. At one point in the mall parking lot, it was so grabby the lady driver opposite us gave us an evil eye.

I must admit the Model 3 Highlander with its improvements is alot of fun to drive due to its relatively lower weight. Just point and shoot the thing. Handling was good as well. It is a sedan after all. Reminds me of the classic RWD BMW sports sedan but only more responsive due to the electric motor.

The M3H Performance is a deadly sleeper. Too bad the rebates don't apply.

 

[Bjbena]

The M3H Performance is a deadly sleeper. Too bad the rebates don't apply.

Actually, that is the only Model 3 trim that the rebate/incentive applies to. Stupidly enough, when you factor in the $7500 incentive, the Model 3 Performance trim comes in about $2k cheaper than the M3 Long Range, it's mid trim.

 

[Dear_OP]

Canada and its participating provinces have different rebate schemes.
Rebates are different b/t SUV and Sedan. The SUV has a higher price threshold than the sedan. Rebates only apply to the RWD Model 3. Therefore where we are, the Model Y and MME can be cheaper than the Model 3 depending on variant.

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