Model Y to MachE - GT?

[Teledatageek]

Wise decisions not to pay ADM and keep your Model Y for a while.

I have 19-inch tires on both my Model 3 LR and MME Premium RWD. They handle potholes far better than the 20-inch tires.

The Tesla is better in some areas than the MME and vice versa. The MME has better build quality and is sturdier on rough roads. The Tesla has better tech, easier charging, and far better app.

BTW you can use your Tesla Wall Charger to juice up your MME, using the TeslaTap adapters. No need to install another charger just for the MME.

With wide availability of charging stations, why would you take your gas-guzzler Raptor on long trips rather than the Model Y or MME? I do just the opposite; my Ford F150 Diesel is for short trips near home and I use my EVs for longer drives. As a result, I save big on gas!

Consumer Reports rates the MME far higher than the Model Y. When you eventually acquire one, you'l see why!

Why the Raptor? Well it depends on where we are headed - we go to N. Michigan a couple of times a year, virtually no Tesla chargers/or other EV chargers - so that would be a huge pain for us. Winter driving beyond 75 miles each way - if we don't want to stop to juice up. Those times where we need more room, towing, etc. But most importantly, the dog! He loves the cab of the F150 - so much room.

I do have another trip to New Hampshire in a few weeks - 400 miles or so. Did it last summer in our first MY (was my first road trip in an EV) - 4 stops each way if I remember correctly - I wanted to have it juiced up at the hotel. I was looking forward to doing that same journey in a few weeks in a Mach E.... maybe another year.

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[Teledatageek]

Frustrated Mach-E owner here:

It's a great car, I mean really great, but at this point, Ford makes me nervous. I just don't believe Ford can truly compete in the new-age tech-focused car world.

We have a giant screen that can do about 5% of what a Teslas screen can. We have a damn tic tac toe game for Pete's sake. We can't use the screen to do anything helpful.

Ford keeps over-promising and under-delivering. (date everyone will get blue cruise, amazon Alexa entering our cars, claiming they will be prompt with OTA's)

And the cherry on top is now they are saying the 2023 Mach E's will get a completely new Google-built OS while the early adopters who got the car will not be able to upgrade to it. So we will be stuck with an outdated OS 1-3 years after purchasing the car. Will this outdated OS get updates? Who knows, but it currently is the up to date OS and it isn't getting any updates ...

I'm very nervous and worried about my decision to buy this car, more specifically from this brand....

Rant done.

I read the story about all the changes coming to the software. That is terrible that 2021/2022 owners can't upgrade. I wonder if they will provide a hardware upgrade option like Tesla does for their first round of vehicles. OTA updates look like a challenge still with Ford - they are so routine with Tesla - I think we get them every 3 to 4 weeks typically - always been flawless.

 

[silverelan]

I read the story about all the changes coming to the software. That is terrible that 2021/2022 owners can't upgrade. I wonder if they will provide a hardware upgrade option like Tesla does for their first round of vehicles. OTA updates look like a challenge still with Ford - they are so routine with Tesla - I think we get them every 3 to 4 weeks typically - always been flawless.

Meh, the Sync 4/4a system will be fine. They’re planning on a full revamp of the UI later this year. Regardless, the system won’t be orphaned any time soon considering that between now and 2023+ when Android Automotive gets rolled out, there will be millions of Fords with Sync 4/4a.

As for ride quality, the wife and I were just remarking that after 5000 miles, the suspension seems to have really settled in. Much of the initial bounciness we experienced has faded.

 

[The Black Horse]

Meh, the Sync 4/4a system will be fine. They’re planning on a full revamp of the UI later this year. Regardless, the system won’t be orphaned any time soon considering that between now and 2023+ when Android Automotive gets rolled out, there will be millions of Fords with Sync 4/4a.

As for ride quality, the wife and I were just remarking that after 5000 miles, the suspension seems to have really settled in. Much of the initial bounciness we experienced has faded.

Sync 4/4a will not be fine. It's mediocre now, they can't figure out how to make it better via OTA's and right now it is supposed to be their TOP OF THE LINE software. It will not get any better when it is the secondary software only used on their "older" cars.

Honestly, I plan on selling the car if we cannot upgrade to the new operating system. Probably will get a Tesla or Polestar.

If Ford gives up on me (MY21 car) then I give up on Ford. Perfectly balanced ...

 

[LiveWire]

Hopefully @Ford Motor Company will not just drop the customers that were in line first. I would believe that if we make enough noise that they would allow us to upgrade (possibly at a cost) but non the less upgrade. I would also believe that in a couple years there will be plenty of aftermarket options that will be ideal. Maybe Ford will partner with one that would be covered with warranty. Who knows.

I am still breaking my GT in and so far am loving the car. Coming from a truck it has been a change but has not been too much of a change as I like they way it drives and handles and I also like to spending the $400 a month in gas that i was spending. I bought this car because I got tired of waiting on my Maverick to be built (which the wife is going to take now)

I hear stories of people have bad charging issues and issues with this or that and then i meet someone at a charging station that has a 2021 and they cant say enough about how great it is. So I may worry a little that something may happen at some point but I am doing everything I can to hope not let that happen. Doing my homework and keeping up with everything going on in here.

I am going to enjoy the car as I am now nd enjoy the free charging I get at work as well unless for some reason that changes and I start looking into an electric truck. So far I have no expectations in doing that and would hope that Ford would not make me have to make that decision because they left us all early adaptors in the dark with old software.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Frustrated Mach-E owner here:

It's a great car, I mean really great, but at this point, Ford makes me nervous. I just don't believe Ford can truly compete in the new-age tech-focused car world.

We have a giant screen that can do about 5% of what a Teslas screen can. We have a damn tic tac toe game for Pete's sake. We can't use the screen to do anything helpful.

Ford keeps over-promising and under-delivering. (date everyone will get blue cruise, amazon Alexa entering our cars, claiming they will be prompt with OTA's)

And the cherry on top is now they are saying the 2023 Mach E's will get a completely new Google-built OS while the early adopters who got the car will not be able to upgrade to it. So we will be stuck with an outdated OS 1-3 years after purchasing the car. Will this outdated OS get updates? Who knows, but it currently is the up to date OS and it isn't getting any updates ...

I'm very nervous and worried about my decision to buy this car, more specifically from this brand....

Rant done.

You people with your fancy-schmancy tic-tax-toe! Ford gave us Sketch and told us to be happy with it. ??

It is highly unlikely that 2023 model MMEs will get the Android Automotive OS. Ford doesn’t move that fast. The UI/UX improvements slated for later this year are currently unknown in their entirety but we are being promised major improvements. Let’s wait and see if the improvements are good or not before we throw Sync 4/4A under the bus. As for the Android OS, we don’t know that it’s not going to suck. ?‍?

 

[Teledatageek]

You people with your fancy-schmancy tic-tax-toe! Ford gave us Sketch and told us to be happy with it. ??

It is highly unlikely that 2023 model MMEs will get the Android Automotive OS. Ford doesn’t move that fast. The UI/UX improvements slated for later this year are currently unknown in their entirety but we are being promised major improvements. Let’s wait and see if the improvements are good or not before we throw Sync 4/4A under the bus. As for the Android OS, we don’t know that it’s not going to suck. ?‍?

I think Sync 4 in my Gen 3 Raptor is pretty good. But sounds like maybe a little short in the Mach E. I think Tesla UI is ok, but also not that magical. The Tesla app on the other hand is fantastic. Is that app for the Mach E the same Ford Pass app that I have for my Raptor?

 

[HuntingPudel]

I think Sync 4 in my Gen 3 Raptor is pretty good. But sounds like maybe a little short in the Mach E. I think Tesla UI is ok, but also not that magical. The Tesla app on the other hand is fantastic. Is that app for the Mach E the same Ford Pass app that I have for my Raptor?

FordPass is the junky app that we have for the MME. Hopefully, Ford will fix FordPass in the future. ???

 

[moparguy]

Stick to your Tesla.
I wish I can roll back time to 1/1/2022 when I ordered my Mach E and just ordered a Tesla instead, sadly, Tesla prices went up through the roof and will continue going up, they depreciate the less, even before the pandemic, I have my doubts with the Mach E, especially with their current low residuals, for example, 36 months residual on a Mach E GT is 43%, which is basically what Ford think this car would worth, even pre-pandemic, there was no chance on earth for a Tesla to worth only 43% of its value after 3 years and 45000 miles, you may not need the supercharging network but it's there for you, the technology is better, the company is better, the 5 seconds limiter was another thing I found about just recently so I'd assume the MY would be comparable in speeds, the only thing I would ding MY for is the look, I think it's ugly.

 

[ARK]

Stick to your Tesla.
I wish I can roll back time to 1/1/2022 when I ordered my Mach E and just ordered a Tesla instead, sadly, Tesla prices went up through the roof and will continue going up, they depreciate the less, even before the pandemic, I have my doubts with the Mach E, especially with their current low residuals, for example, 36 months residual on a Mach E GT is 43%, which is basically what Ford think this car would worth, even pre-pandemic, there was no chance on earth for a Tesla to worth only 43% of its value after 3 years and 45000 miles, you may not need the supercharging network but it's there for you, the technology is better, the company is better, the 5 seconds limiter was another thing I found about just recently so I'd assume the MY would be comparable in speeds, the only thing I would ding MY for is the look, I think it's ugly.

Those Ford residuals have turned out way off the mark in favor of the buyer. Lots of Mach-E owners who have year old cars at this point are getting trade in values above their MSRP - this with a vehicle still eligible for the federal tax credit.

 

[moparguy]

Those Ford residuals have turned out way off the mark in favor of the buyer. Lots of Mach-E owners who have year old cars at this point are getting trade in values above their MSRP - this with a vehicle still eligible for the federal tax credit.

Today will be unlike 3 years from now, the Mach E is still new, the supply is slowly catching up, I had an early delivery Bronco, I saw my trade-in value goes down from $30K above my OTD to $2K under my OTD during the course of 8 months, the same thing will happen with the Mach E, guys who got it a year ago and are selling today, are in better luck than those of us who are buying now and may trade in next year.

 

[ARK]

Today will be unlike 3 years from now, the Mach E is still new, the supply is slowly catching up, I had an early delivery Bronco, I saw my trade-in value goes down from $30K above my OTD to $2K under my OTD during the course of 8 months, the same thing will happen with the Mach E, guys who got it a year ago and are selling today, are in better luck than those of us who are buying now and may trade in next year.

That $30K above your OTD price would have been a momentary fluke, it probably fell off a cliff pretty immediately.

I don't think Mach-E prices have been doing that - out of curiosity I got mine appraised online a few months ago and about a week ago - it's value has actually gone up, i.e. worth more in month 15 than month 12, with about a 1,500 more miles.

Anyway, my point is the Mach-E has gotten an extremely positive reception, something that was not guaranteed or necessarily even expected before the launch. I don't know where prices will be in 3 years, but I think it is fair to say, it will very likely be outperforming your average small SUV of the same age.

 

[moparguy]

That $30K above your OTD price would have been a momentary fluke, it probably fell off a cliff pretty immediately.

I don't think Mach-E prices have been doing that - out of curiosity I got mine appraised online a few months ago and about a week ago - it's value has actually gone up, i.e. worth more in month 15 than month 12, with about a 1,500 more miles.

Anyway, my point is that Mach-E has gotten an extremely positive reception, something that was not guaranteed or necessarily even expected before the launch. I don't know where prices will be in 3 years, but I think it is fair to say, it will very likely be outperforming your average small SUV of the same age.

the $30k lasted for a couple of months and it started slowing down.
The Mach E has the $7500 Federal incentive playing to its benefit, if not for that I would choose Tesla and if I was educated like I am today when I ordered my Mach E in January, I would've picked Tesla too, sadly I wasn't.

 

[TonyaE]

Stick to your Tesla.
I wish I can roll back time to 1/1/2022 when I ordered my Mach E and just ordered a Tesla instead, sadly, Tesla prices went up through the roof and will continue going up, they depreciate the less, even before the pandemic, I have my doubts with the Mach E, especially with their current low residuals, for example, 36 months residual on a Mach E GT is 43%, which is basically what Ford think this car would worth, even pre-pandemic, there was no chance on earth for a Tesla to worth only 43% of its value after 3 years and 45000 miles, you may not need the supercharging network but it's there for you, the technology is better, the company is better, the 5 seconds limiter was another thing I found about just recently so I'd assume the MY would be comparable in speeds, the only thing I would ding MY for is the look, I think it's ugly.

MY said to the MME ???

 

[voxel]

I'm trading my Model Y (I've owned two Ys and also a Mach-E RWD) for a GTPE in a month or so when mine is built. I have new Telluride for long trips as I have zero interest in road tripping with an EV even with the very-usable Supercharger network.

With that said... Y for Premium/GT is a sideways move but I would do it if you could get the GT at MSRP and sell the Y since you don't need the charging network and with the tax credit you'd probably save $10K. The Mach-E is more like a traditional car with a few more traditional controls with a similar firm suspension and slightly worse one-pedal (the brake blending to stop is rough).

The Y is a no-fuss EV but I'm using it as a daily commuter and it might as well be a MINI SE or Solterra or GTPE.

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