New Lithium Phosphate Batteries - Cheaper & ???

[nvabill]

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They aren’t lighter.

They’re less energy dense than Lithium Ion.

They’re also way worse in cold weather.

They are cheaper and more fire resistant though. It’s why they’re used in base models typically (cost).

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[Carsinmyblood]

Model T... 1908, not 1903. Seriously.

 

[MnSparty38]

I can’t find the study and story about testing in Norway but I know LFP batteries tested well in that cold climate. Range on new formulas is on par with Ternary batteries so shouldn’t be an issue in a year or so. Just need to get US manufacturing going on LFP.

If you find it, please add. Upper Midwest very interested in this.

 

[roamtheworld]

If you find it, please add. Upper Midwest very interested in this.

Found the winter testing https://www.emobilitynorway.com/post/the-world-largest-ev-test
Orginal source https://www.motor.no/aktuelt/motors-store-vintertest-av-rekkevidde-pa-elbiler/217132

Here is a previous test but it doesn't include LFP cars
https://www.naf.no/elbil/aktuelt/elbiltest/ev-winter-range-test-2020/

They also have summer testing performed in 2021 - Tesla Model 3 standard range uses LFP
https://insideevs.com/news/512426/norway-ev-summer-range-test/

 

[Blue highway]

Hopefully they get the ones with manganese added. Apparently those close the gap for energy density and performance.

IMHO the future is Lithium Iron Phosphate with Manganese. Tesla announced the Shanghai plant will have LFP batteries with 230w/kG in January which essentially matches NMC power density.

The cobalt price thing is kinda last years news. Prices have fallen again.

 

[roamtheworld]

IMHO the future is Lithium Iron Phosphate with Manganese. Tesla announced the Shanghai plant will have LFP batteries with 230w/kG in January which essentially matches NMC power density.

CATL and BYD are already producing batteries so it won't be long before they start showing up in cars other than Tesla. 2025 for sure we will have a higher density LFP available for the brands that have said they will support LFP like Ford or Rivian.

 

[black-pink]

LFP batteries are safe and longer cycle life than NCM battery

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