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Sorry for the newb questions but - are Fords constrained to the Electrify America chargers or can you use others? Are the other charging networks as problematic as EA? I will probably do 90% of my charging at home but I'm new to this and trying to learn.
For DC Fast Charging.....any CCS unit should work. Most are Electrify America brand but there are others as well.
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Sorry for the newb questions but - are Fords constrained to the Electrify America chargers or can you use others? Are the other charging networks as problematic as EA? I will probably do 90% of my charging at home but I'm new to this and trying to learn.
The only DCFC connectors we can't use are Tesla Superchargers (maybe in the future). All other (US/CA) DCFC uses the universal CCS plug that everyone but Teslas have (there's a few CHAdeMO's still around but they're all getting phased out).

As for dependability of the non-EA DCFC chargers, it really depends. There's ChargePoint, EVgo, and a bunch of others scattered around. EA is always the first choice though as most consistent (power level, pricing, access, good locations, etc). And usually dependability, although not always.

The others are more of a crap shoot. Some are great, some are disappointing, a few won't even interface with the Mach-E at all. They just take more advanced research (usually Plugshare). Check the power level (they're often slower), the pricing, access, # of chargers, and the comments.
 
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I have only done one road trip so far, but it sure would have been nice if the charging curve would at least get you to 85% before it drops off!
@Mach-E VLOG and @Liv have done some trips where they got back to their car and found it at like 81-83%. Definitely would be useful to have come back with it at 90%!
 

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@Mach-E VLOG and @Liv have done some trips where they got back to their car and found it at like 81-83%. Definitely would be useful to have come back with it at 90%!
Yeah! I'm super excited to get this update and test it out! Whenever we went over 80, it was typically because we were still busy on our stop and it managed to squeeze in a little more slow charge but if those extra minutes were all it took to get to 90%, that would be epic!
 


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Sorry for the newb questions but - are Fords constrained to the Electrify America chargers or can you use others? Are the other charging networks as problematic as EA? I will probably do 90% of my charging at home but I'm new to this and trying to learn.
I would expect a peer of the realm to be more knowledgeable. In fairness, you do not pretend to be an omnimath.
 

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I've owned mine for about 3 months, and have never needed to use DC fast charging. I just charge at home on level 2 to 90%. I wonder how many people really need to use DC charging that often. If they do, they must have a heck of a work commute. Leading question from non-EV owners is "what is the range" and "where are there charging stations?"
 

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Yeah! I'm super excited to get this update and test it out! Whenever we went over 80, it was typically because we were still busy on our stop and it managed to squeeze in a little more slow charge but if those extra minutes were all it took to get to 90%, that would be epic!
Yes! It sounds like such a small difference, but bring able to DCFC that extra 10% can be a big deal on road trips, especially in the Midwest where there just aren’t stations every 100mi.
 

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Sorry for the newb questions but - are Fords constrained to the Electrify America chargers or can you use others? Are the other charging networks as problematic as EA? I will probably do 90% of my charging at home but I'm new to this and trying to learn.
EA is the defacto because they only have "really fast" chargers (>=150kw), support the "plug-n-charge" standard, integrate with your Fordpass account, and are deployed on major routes virtually nationwide. As mentioned by others there are a handful of networks around, but often those chargers are only 50kw or less and several of the networks require a special account.
 

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I've owned mine for about 3 months, and have never needed to use DC fast charging. I just charge at home on level 2 to 90%. I wonder how many people really need to use DC charging that often. If they do, they must have a heck of a work commute. Leading question from non-EV owners is "what is the range" and "where are there charging stations?"
Lots of different situations for people. In our case, we're retired and like to travel. We normally fly all over the world but flying sucks ? right now so we're delaying big international trips and doing road trips around the West instead. Put nearly 6000 road trip miles on the Mach-E this year, with another trip already planned.

But yeah, most people don't do a lot of road trips. However, when spending this kinda money on a fancy new car, people usually want it to handle road trips too. Seems kind of a shame to have to take the "old" car on road trips (if they even have one).
 

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I've owned mine for about 3 months, and have never needed to use DC fast charging. I just charge at home on level 2 to 90%. I wonder how many people really need to use DC charging that often. If they do, they must have a heck of a work commute. Leading question from non-EV owners is "what is the range" and "where are there charging stations?"
Generally speaking, if you start and end your day at home then you may never have any need for DCFC which is pretty much the ideal scenario and you and your car may be happy.

However, there have been some days where I arrive home in the evening and traveled 320-350 miles that day. In those cases I usually need to DCFC because I didn't have opportunity or time to L2 charge during the day. Happened maybe 2 times so far (19,000 miles).

Then there was one time I took a road trip to San Diego and needed to DCFC because I wanted to get there in the same day. It was about 380 miles one way so using L2 mid trip isn't very practical.

So, the ability to DCFC does come in handy from time to time.
 

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For those talking about using 50kw chargers instead of 150kw chargers, that's at least double the charging time (assuming the 150s settle in the 90s), maybe closer to 2.5 times.

We drove 600 or so miles a day, which required 3 - 4 stops. Each stop is 25 - 40 minutes. Having those stops be 50 - 80 meetings would be unacceptable, we wouldn't have purchased the vehicle.
Also, when you hit 80, it goes to 14kw. Once you use your 250 free hours (we used them on our 2nd day of driving on the trip), you'll be paying EA rates. In some states, that's by KW. In others, it's by minute. Paying by the minute for 14kw charging could get real expensive.

I posted about that in another thread. https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ea-rates.9342/
 

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Darren stated and re-stated that "Every Module" is OTA capable... This is contrary from what I've read on here in other posts.
This makes absolute sense to what I was thinking regarding people complaining about the shift knob that never stops turning. If you notice, the headlight knob is the same way. It seems to me this was absolutely a design of OTA and software configurable settings.

For example, I've noticed already that if I turn my headlights on (past Auto) and turn the vehicle off, when I return and turn the vehicle back on, the headlights are set back to auto.

This is a future summons mode or something similar...the vehicle can shift itself to "Drive" without turning a knob, then back to "Park" again.
 
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I fast charged at EA once last week and once this week. Seeing the many videos showing people with issues, I fully expected to have much fiddling to do. Nope. Both times I plugged in at ~35% and it started doing its thing. Sometimes it's good to have a low expectation lol. Both times took about 23 minutes to reach 80%. The crazy thing is, in NJ EA charges $0.43 per kWh which would've been $15. In PA EA charges $0.32 per minute which was half the cost for the same 33kWh delivered. At $0.43 per kWh, it far exceeds what gas would've cost for the same number of miles driven.

There was a Taycan next to me the first time. I took a pic of their screen. Why does the Taycan have a lower rate? As you can see on the screen, he added 56kWh at $18.60, or $0.33 per kWh. He was still going at 35kW at 91%. It went up to 94% within a few minutes by the time I took at photo.

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I fast charged at EA once last week and once this week. Seeing the many videos showing people with issues, I fully expected to have much fiddling to do. Nope. Both times I plugged in at ~35% and it started doing its thing. Sometimes it's good to have a low expectation lol. Both times took about 23 minutes to reach 80%. The crazy thing is, in NJ EA charges $0.43 per kWh which would've been $15. In PA EA charges $0.32 per minute which was half the cost for the same 33kWh delivered. At $0.43 per kWh, it far exceeds what gas would've cost for the same number of miles driven.

There was a Taycan next to me the first time. I took a pic of their screen. Why does the Taycan have a lower rate? As you can see on the screen, he added 56kWh at $18.60, or $0.33 per kWh. He was still going at 35kW at 91%. It went up to 94% within a few minutes by the time I took at photo.

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There's different rates for each state, and for your membership level. You can pay monthly to get a discounted rate. Perhaps the Taycan has a Pass+ membership for lower rates.

Note that Pass+ rates are only available directly through EA at this time, can't use Plug & Charge/FordPass to get those rates right now.
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