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[Mustangor]

More like 90% plus. Most issues are operator-induced as well. That applies to the fob too. Your ire is misplaced, but feel free to carry-on,

I won't. If it works for 90% of people, it's probably fine. My experience was terrible, but the key fob works every time. Bluetooth and radio signal vary from phone to phone, and there's nothing Ford can do about that. I don't want to blame Ford any further. But for me, and for critical features like entering/starting/locking my car, there's no chance I can replace the key fob with the Ford PAAK...

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[Kamuelaflyer]

I won't. If it works for 90% of people, it's probably fine. My experience was terrible, but the key fob works every time. Bluetooth and radio signal vary from phone to phone, and there's nothing Ford can do about that. I don't want to blame Ford any further. But for me, and for critical features like entering/starting/locking my car, there's no chance I can replace the key fob with the Ford PAAK...

100% of my failures have been with the fob. As I said, most PAAK and fob failures (but not all) are due to operator error. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion about it and are free to use whichever method you feel is best. As it should be.

One caveat, though: if you set up PAAK, you'll also be able to set up a backup start password, even if you never use PAAK again. It shouldn't be that way.

 

[Mark813]

100% of my failures have been with the fob. As I said, most PAAK and fob failures (but not all) are due to operator error. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion about it and are free to use whichever method you feel is best. As it should be.

One caveat, though: if you set up PAAK, you'll also be able to set up a backup start password, even if you never use PAAK again. It shouldn't be that way.

Not sure what you mean it shouldn't be that way, I want all three ways active.

-PAAK unlock and start
-door keycode unlock with touch screen password start
-key fob

There could be a small contingent of people who don't carry a phone or key fob and just do the door key code and touchscreen password start

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Not sure what you mean it shouldn't be that way, I want all three ways active.

I was responding to someone who doesn’t want to use PAAK. Unless PAAK is setup you cannot set up a backup start code.

 

[prius2pony]

Since some updates to car and iPhone a few weeks ago (I'm not sure which to "blame"), my PAAK function, which has worked problem free since I got my First Edition in February. '21 has this recurring problem:
The app seems to go to sleep when the phone is idle, so when I first go to the car in the morning, the car won't respond and unlock like it used to. I find I have to get out my phone, open the app (which I never shut down) and wake it up–by which I mean when I select the app from the Home Screen it starts with just the ford logo, then in a moment (3 seconds?) it shows all the control buttons, and I'm good to go with PAAK letting me enter the car.
I simply can't recall if it used to be that selecting the app immediately had all the controls showing or if this routine of "waking it up" from ford logo to displaying controls is new.
Any similar experiences out there? Any fixes? Someone earlier suggested removing and reinstalling the app, which I've done.

 

[Mark813]

I was responding to someone who doesn’t want to use PAAK. Unless PAAK is setup you cannot set up a backup start code.

Oh gotcha, sorry about the misread

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Since some updates to car and iPhone a few weeks ago (I'm not sure which to "blame"), my PAAK function, which has worked problem free since I got my First Edition in February. '21 has this recurring problem:
The app seems to go to sleep when the phone is idle, so when I first go to the car in the morning, the car won't respond and unlock like it used to. I find I have to get out my phone, open the app (which I never shut down) and wake it up–by which I mean when I select the app from the Home Screen it starts with just the ford logo, then in a moment (3 seconds?) it shows all the control buttons, and I'm good to go with PAAK letting me enter the car.
I simply can't recall if it used to be that selecting the app immediately had all the controls showing or if this routine of "waking it up" from ford logo to displaying controls is new.
Any similar experiences out there? Any fixes? Someone earlier suggested removing and reinstalling the app, which I've done.

I never have FP up unless I'm going to use it. About 10% of the time, I don't even bother to open it when I go to the car to go somewhere. If I'm going to have PAAK issues, that's when I'll get them, but that's not a given either. I close the app (swipe up) whenever I'm done driving 100% of the time.

 

[Beerbronco]

Edit: I was already in the car the PAAK failure started while I pulled up to a parking lot. Verizon cellular went down and I saw a weird message on my dashboard.

Lol yeah there's a little sarcasm there I didn't tape it to the roof. It is hidden inside of the vehicle not that magnetic key you would put under your wheel well in the 1970s

My non-worry about PAAK failure is because I have the door code to get in with the touch screen software start password as a secondary backup and a pain in the ass to get (even for me) hidden key in a faraday pouch

I made a joke about the glass roof because I just hide the key fob in different hard to reach places in my car without posting online what that might be.

The assumption being thieves are breaking into cars as crimes of opportunity. Mostly for stuff they can see like briefcases purses backpacks.

The interior of my car is always empty as trained by my parents in New York growing up. If you look in my car through the windows there's nothing- no change in the center box no briefcases purses to steal. I don't like baseball hats and gym bags laying around in my car either. But the beauty of our frunk or the subfloor under the hatch floor is exactly for that loose stuff.

It's not just thieving anxiety it's also I like a clean car LOL

Breaking into any vehicle to find a key fob in a hidden faraday pouch is a low percentage crime opportunity for most thieves.

Stealing a whole car as in driving them off is usually done with skeleton keys and other digital devices or Kia USB tricks. So I feel safe hiding my key in a faraday pouch. If they steal my car it's s because they had the right tech and they're driving off with my key still hidden.

I had an issue with my PAAK but it was self inflicted. My phone was ready for an update so I said update now, while I was getting ready to go somewhere thinking it would update while I was driving. As soon as I got that message I was "dummy your phone is the key!" Then to top it off I entered my back upcode wrong and I had it stored on the phone that was updating.

 

[Mustangor]

I was responding to someone who doesn’t want to use PAAK. Unless PAAK is setup you cannot set up a backup start code.

Not trolling here, but isn't the fact the backup start code is related to the PAAK, a proof that even Ford doesn't trust the PAAK ?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Not trolling here, but isn't the fact the backup start code is related to the PAAK, a proof that even Ford doesn't trust the PAAK ?

By that rationale the fob reader allowing the car to be started when the fob has a dead battery is proof that Ford doesn’t trust fobs. Do you believe that? If so, you have your answer.

Redundancy is a good thing.

 

[Sikkun]

I’ve never had an issue with my PAAK. But one day I did realize that if the power goes out in my house I can’t open the garage door, and my house key is on my fob….so at the point I need a key ring anyway, back to the fob is was.

Sadly in the town I live this is a scenario that has happened more than once…our power goes out often.

 

[areacode413]

The car pings your phone right when you turn it off, if it doesn't respond immediately then that message is displayed. I get that occasionally, but it's a rare glitch with PAAK that lasts a few seconds, you should be okay to keep using it if your phone still has bluetooth active and FordPass open.

FYI I've been fob free for the past 3+ years, I've had to use the backup passcode only once or twice when it wasn't working. I've had cell towers fail at least once, I can still operate the car normally. Never been stranded or locked out yet. Still worth not carrying an extra fob to me, but opinions will vary.

Two years FOB free this November. Used my phone from the very first day. Use my door code and password enough so I remember it.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I’ve never had an issue with my PAAK. But one day I did realize that if the power goes out in my house I can’t open the garage door, and my house key is on my fob….so at the point I need a key ring anyway, back to the fob is was.

Sadly in the town I live this is a scenario that has happened more than once…our power goes out often.

We use the grid as backup for the solar system. I'm usually unaware when there's been a power failure. This has led to funny incidents, like a Christmas season when the power was out, but all our Christmas lights and inflatables were still on. It's a very rural neighborhood, so it's not quite as odd as it sounds.

 

[Maquis]

Since some updates to car and iPhone a few weeks ago (I'm not sure which to "blame"), my PAAK function, which has worked problem free since I got my First Edition in February. '21 has this recurring problem:
The app seems to go to sleep when the phone is idle, so when I first go to the car in the morning, the car won't respond and unlock like it used to. I find I have to get out my phone, open the app (which I never shut down) and wake it up–by which I mean when I select the app from the Home Screen it starts with just the ford logo, then in a moment (3 seconds?) it shows all the control buttons, and I'm good to go with PAAK letting me enter the car.
I simply can't recall if it used to be that selecting the app immediately had all the controls showing or if this routine of "waking it up" from ford logo to displaying controls is new.
Any similar experiences out there? Any fixes? Someone earlier suggested removing and reinstalling the app, which I've done.

I’ve seen the same thing lately. Sometimes, I even need to tap the “Unlock” button to get into the car.

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