Pleasant range surprise

[Aggie PT]

Yes, but not for long.

The Mach-E displays range. The F-150 Lightning displays "intelligent range". Why did Ford use that term? Because they're incorporating more variables into the Lightning's range projection than in the Mach-Es. Eventually, that algorithm will be in the Mach-E.

Further, while your range may show XXX when you look at it in FordPass, with intelligent range once you lay in a route in the navigation, it will show a projected range incorporating the route you've put in, which may differ from the range displayed before that route was put in.

So yes, range has been "useless" in the past, but it will change in the future.

One point you made up above is incorrect though. You implied that the Mach-E's range doesn't change based on temp/weather. That's incorrect. If you checked your range when it's 60 out and didn't drive at all, and then checked it when it's 40 out, you'd see a decrease. Or, said another way, charging to 90% at 60 degrees will yield a higher projected range than charging to 90% at 40 degrees.

That sounds like a great update. Is it confirmed that will come to the Mach E at some point?

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[Texas-E]

Not that I'm bragging... this is the best I've seen (in August). Usual range is about 385 (car is RWD ER) - and yes, UK miles are exactly the same as US miles...

So how far were you able to go before you called roadside assistance to tow you?

 

[RickMachE]

Think of the people with ICE vehicles that use things like FORScan to update their range accuracy (D

That sounds like a great update. Is it confirmed that will come to the Mach E at some point?

Nothing is confirmed, ever. However, it's pretty common knowledge that the 2021/2022/2023 Mach-Es and 2022 F-150s share common software / UIs. Until the new android-based software starts running the Mach-E and F-150, I would expect them to stay fairly similar.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I’m a dog of single-track mind. I read “Pheasant” in the thread title. ??

 

[generaltso]

Wait, so there’s currently an update for our 2021’s that allows us to have the same usable battery as the 2022’s? That’s not the 21P22 update is it?

Yes. I don't remember offhand which update made the change or if the affected module is part of 21P22.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ived-91-kwh-upgrade-useable-at-100-soc.19330/

 

[Tampamike]

What do you mean you find it to be fairly accurate? You run down past 0 until the battery fully dies on road trips? Or because you drive it until it says 50 miles to dead and go, "Yeah, it feels like it has about 50 miles left in it".

It's a useless number. Sure, if you do drive the same route in the same temps with the same traffic, somehow, every single day, it may be a reasonable estimate, like +/- 5%. But almost nobody lives in that world. It was a high of 40 where I live and sunny just a week ago. Yesterday it rained all day with a high of 60. Today is sunny with a high of 60. Without me changing my route or anything else, the weather alone would significantly impact real world range, regardless what the GOM says.

It's a useless number even if you have a very typical commute and that because variables outside your control matter most.

That doesn't even get into the realities of those that never let their car get below 10% and how bad BMS sway is on those cars. In that case your numbers are never going to be accurate because the BMS has no real clue what the bottom of the pack looks like.

You can say whatever, but the reality is distance to empty calculations on gas or electric vehicles are pointless and never actually reasonably accurate to anyone that needs to rely on them.

TLDR. Obviously I won’t convince you. Operate your vehicle as you like.

For me, there’s a simple calculation. I leave the charger. My range says 220. Distance to next charger is 180. Two + hours later when I arrive at the charger, ny range remaining says 40. Works for me. YMMV.

 

[Tampamike]

While quoting the driving cycle might be interesting, you forget that it takes into account a certain percentage of highway driving and city driving. Clearly you're driving more city than the EPA test does, and therefore you are achieving more range. To say "many of us are getting range greater than advertised" is totally inaccurate, you're getting greater range than advertised because you're driving differently than what is used to calculate the numbers.

If you drove at 20mph all day, would you then claim that the resulting range was "greater than advertised"?

Rick, why do you want to rain on his parade? He’s getting more range than advertised - for him and his driving. He’s happy about that. Leave him alone. This isn’t a contest.

I just don’t get all this GOM shade. It has its limitations but it has its uses. I’m glad it’s there and my range is better than advertised, sometimes as well.

 

[RickMachE]

Rick, why do you want to rain on his parade? He’s getting more range than advertised - for him and his driving. He’s happy about that. Leave him alone. This isn’t a contest.

I just don’t get all this GOM shade. It has its limitations but it has its uses. I’m glad it’s there and my range is better than advertised, sometimes as well.

It's interesting if you look at forums, Facebook, etc. Those proclaiming how wonderful it is that their EVs get so great range, even better than "advertised", live in Florida, Arizona, and southern California - places were "cold" doesn't exist. Many drive mostly local driving on top of that, so of course their range is better than expected.

Most of the people that proclaim the wonders of the range state improper reasoning as to why it occurs, or how they compare it. If you don't like people correcting it, then skip the thread.

 

[JimboSlice]

No.

And you are not "on software version 3.5.2".

The last OTA software update you got was 3.5.2. Since you just bought the car 2 weeks ago, you have no idea what updates it was manufactured with. And, you can only see the last update you got OTA. Sometimes they aren't in sequence. And dealer-applied updates, if any, aren't visible.

All I know is that I don't have YouTube yet in my system. 3.5.2 has been there since I picked the car up from the dealer 2 weeks ago, no OTA .

 

[RickMachE]

All I know is that I don't have YouTube yet in my system. 3.5.2 has been there since I picked the car up from the dealer 2 weeks ago, no OTA .

If the dealer applied module updates, you can't see them.
If you're looking at your version of Sync, that's not the same as the OTA update numbering.

 

[Cm12]

Yes. I don't remember offhand which update made the change or if the affected module is part of 21P22.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ived-91-kwh-upgrade-useable-at-100-soc.19330/

Thanks! I recall that thread and the confusion over whether it was really usable battery in the same manner as the 2022’s. I was more referencing that Ford had hinted (and also refuted) the potential for the 2021s to have the same usable battery as the 2022’s. It sounds like it may be functionally equivalent and just displayed differently, but I didn’t think there was a firm conclusion on it at this time. I appreciate the clarification though!

 

[Vulnox]

Rick, why do you want to rain on his parade? He’s getting more range than advertised - for him and his driving. He’s happy about that. Leave him alone. This isn’t a contest.

I just don’t get all this GOM shade. It has its limitations but it has its uses. I’m glad it’s there and my range is better than advertised, sometimes as well.

I suspect the shade is that it is potentially dangerous on both fronts. It can make people pessimistic about their vehicle if it shows a number lower than they think it should, because they don't understand the factors behind it. Anyone that thinks this isn't happening has to have only just today joined the site because there are an ever growing number of threads asking why their "range" isn't what was promised. Also dangerous in that an inflated figure based on city driving will be quickly dashed when they go on that 320 mile road trip and don't plan for any charging stops because "It says it can go 380 miles!". While entering the route into the vehicle Nav can cause it to update that info, many, many people use Google Maps or Apple Maps (assuming they haven't enabled the vehicle link for Apple Maps) and won't see the display update until they are about 60 miles into their drive and their range has dropped 100 miles.

For those that do the same route, day in, day out, it's fine. No shade. The thing is, people need to understand it isn't a promise or guarantee, it's an educated guess based on historical data. As long as they understand that and consider it, no issues what-so-ever.

But education, as always, is a key component. No different than MME or Bolt drivers hogging a 350kW station because "it's faster" or whatever else. In some cases it's more harm than good.

 

[Pregrid]

Thanks, Guys. I get it now. Range is dependent on hot or cold weather, where you drive (hills or no hills) how you drive (zoom-zoom or ho-hum), home charging, what maps you use, how much weight you carry, etc, etc., etc. Thanks for the insight. I now know why when the Beemer said a range of 540 miles, after filling up on the highway, it only got 350 on the next tank. Just kidding. So, what’s the real range of the Mach E. I guess you could say it depends……..?

 

[JSeis]

Perhaps I should have said, “Charging anywhere.” My point was “347.” Just a data point for anyone who cares.

Yeah, warm days, precon, slow driving. no wind, rain, cold. Pretty obvious.

 

[Bodyshopguy]

Best result thus far from overnight charging at home.

Cool ?

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