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[ChasingCoral]

Just because Jim Farley is testing 1.4 does not mean that any version of BlueCruise beyond 1.3 will be compatible with existing vehicles. In fact, I’m beginning to suspect that they may have come across an issue with 2021s and it’s quite possible that 2021s may not see 1.3. ?‍

Farley was running BC 1.4 in a 2023 Lightning, not a special vehicle with new hardware AFAIK. In fact, a dealership updated the loaner truck from 1.2 to 1.4 specially for this trip.

It is possible 1.4 will be a Lightning configuration of BC and may not be destined for Mach Es at all.

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[ChasingCoral]

I completely disagree. This has been a clusterfuck since the beginning and there’s no indication it is getting any better. They are just getting ready to release the 4th model year and they still can’t figure out how to push OTA updates and provide notes that make sense. Ford communicated on this forum that 1.3 is coming this summer and sent multiple emails asking us to get ready.

If you and a few others are okay with this treatment, fine. The rest of us are not.

AFAIK, Ford has the second best OTA system of any major car company (I'll now include Tesla as a major car company). If you want to include the minor players, Rivian is better and there may be others as well.

It's not that the rest of us are ok with the OTA rollout from Ford but there is no question they are improving.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

AFAIK, Ford has the second best OTA system of any major car company (I'll now include Tesla as a major car company). If you want to include the minor players, Rivian is better and there may be others as well.

It's not that the rest of us are ok with the OTA rollout from Ford but there is no question they are improving.

While technically true, this is like saying Mach-E is the second best selling EV SUV in the US. The fact that a resource-constrained, "minor league" company like Rivian can do it much better is very telling.

The concept that we (customers) are setting our own expectations and getting needlessly disappointed by Ford's near best-in-class rollout is laughable. I know this is not what you're saying, but others are.

 

[ChasingCoral]

While technically true, this is like saying Mach-E is the second best selling EV SUV in the US. The fact that a resource-constrained, "minor league" company like Rivian can do it much better is very telling.

A. Small companies are much more nimble
B. EV-only small companies are starting with the expectation of OTA as a major part of operations
C. Ford hamstrung it's ability to be nimble at OTAs by outsourcing so many parts, each with their own software developers.
D. Ford has announced a strategy to be more nimble on software and to use more in-house parts and vertical integration in their Gen2 vehicles.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

A. Small companies are much more nimble
B. EV-only small companies are starting with the expectation of OTA as a major part of operations
C. Ford hamstrung it's ability to be nimble at OTAs by outsourcing so many parts, each with their own software developers.
D. Ford has announced a strategy to be more nimble on software and to use more in-house parts and vertical integration in their Gen2 vehicles.

Ok. Glad everyone is happy.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Ok. Glad everyone is happy.

I would say we are not happy with this (pretty far from it in my estimation), but looking at the glass as half-full, at least we’re not dealing with General Motors’ fiasco of not even being able to ship EVs while having discontinued their one big selling EV. Farley is no Steve Jobs, but at least he’s not Mary Barra. ??

 

[Jimrpa]

Farley was running BC 1.4 in a 2023 Lightning, not a special vehicle with new hardware AFAIK. In fact, a dealership updated the loaner truck from 1.2 to 1.4 specially for this trip.

It is possible 1.4 will be a Lightning configuration of BC and may not be destined for Mach Es at all.

I doubt very many people outside of Ford know for sure. I’m just pointing out that it seems odd that deployments to Job 1s have stopped. Hardware configurations could be a cause. I can’t tell you how many times , in my past lives, supposedly innocuous hardware changes have caused software issues.

 

[Jimrpa]

AFAIK, Ford has the second best OTA system of any major car company (I'll now include Tesla as a major car company). If you want to include the minor players, Rivian is better and there may be others as well.

It's not that the rest of us are ok with the OTA rollout from Ford but there is no question they are improving.

I’m curious, who’s is the best and why is Rivian better than BlueCruise? All the stuff I can find on the intertubes that claims to “compare” always turns out to be biased for one reason or another. And there are no Rivian dealers in my area.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I doubt very many people outside of Ford know for sure. I’m just pointing out that it seems odd that deployments to Job 1s have stopped. Hardware configurations could be a cause. I can’t tell you how many times , in my past lives, supposedly innocuous hardware changes have caused software issues.

I think we've seen the clues in Forum posts from folks in the know that we are indeed looking at hardware differences in Job 1s causing them to cease getting 6.x updates. From what I've heard, the issue with Job 1s may even be peripheral to BC.

I expect those of us with Job 1s will catch up soon. ?

 

[ChasingCoral]

I’m curious, who’s is the best and why is Rivian better than BlueCruise? All the stuff I can find on the intertubes that claims to “compare” always turns out to be biased for one reason or another. And there are no Rivian dealers in my area.

I'm not saying Rivian has a better ADAS. What I'm saying is that Rivian is better at rolling out OTAs. From what I've heard, BlueCruise beats the Rivian ADAS but that's another issue.

 

[Jimrpa]

A. Small companies are much more nimble
B. EV-only small companies are starting with the expectation of OTA as a major part of operations
C. Ford hamstrung it's ability to be nimble at OTAs by outsourcing so many parts, each with their own software developers.
D. Ford has announced a strategy to be more nimble on software and to use more in-house parts and vertical integration in their Gen2 vehicles.

Almost a century ago, Ford used to be highly vertically integrated - to the point of having their own rubber plantations and shipping lines. There is a balance between being vertically integrated and outsourcing some items to specialty organizations.

 

[agoldman]

Ford is a big company. Get a big server. Make all updates available upon demand via the interface in the car. Problem solved. Geeze...

 

[GoldNekNinja]

I’m curious, who’s is the best and why is Rivian better than BlueCruise? All the stuff I can find on the intertubes that claims to “compare” always turns out to be biased for one reason or another. And there are no Rivian dealers in my area.

Rivian's Driver+ only features Adaptive Cruise Control, Active Lane Keeping, and Lane Change Assist. So at this point, it is the same as BlueCruise. However, Rivian has already prepped their cars with hardware to improve the system in the future. And because of the fact that Rivian's team has such great hardware and software integration, they will pass BlueCruise at some point. It is only a matter of when.

 

[Jimrpa]

I'm not saying Rivian has a better ADAS. What I'm saying is that Rivian is better at rolling out OTAs. From what I've heard, BlueCruise beats the Rivian ADAS but that's another issue.

I’m sorry ? I went back and reread the posts and saw that you were talking about OTAs and I was still fixated on BlueCruise. My bad ?
In fact, I was getting ready to edit my post when I saw this.

 

[Jimrpa]

I think we've seen the clues in Forum posts from folks in the know that we are indeed looking at hardware differences in Job 1s causing them to cease getting 6.x updates. From what I've heard, the issue with Job 1s may even be peripheral to BC.

I expect those of us with Job 1s will catch up soon. ?

I would agree. The only thing I would say is that I have absolutely no idea which folks are “in the know”. One of the frustrating things to me is that there are so many “black boxes”, where the only thing I have to go on is external behavior and perceived changes, then puzzle backwards, based on my own knowledge and experiences, to construct hypotheses as to what’s going on. For example, Ford COULD simply send an email blast to Job 1 owners in EA saying “Hey; we’re temporarily pausing EA OTAs while we work out differences related to your vehicles. We’ll resume OTAs Soon™️” ?

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