Pre-condition cabin while unplugged

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I am not having any issues myself plus I have a heated garage! Just learning about departure times and how they work. Mostly the OP’s issue with the car not heating up when a departure time is set and unplugged. Personally I always autostart - even in the garage.
Unless you have it plugged into L2 scheduling is pretty much useless as remote start does the same thing. It is a whole lot easier and is not as buggy as it tells you right away if it is going to work or not.
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I'm expecting the car to figure that out. If I want the cabin to be "warm" at 5:00 pm, I expect the car to figure out how to make that happen. This is what it does when plugged-in. Lately about 20 minutes prior to the scheduled time.

If it's not doing any heating with 5 minutes left to departure time, it's not working.
Just wondering what you were expecting - car should begin 15 minutes prior to departure. I am trying to test it out for myself. It appears it is not working for me either; however, I always auto start as I have no set schedule and it makes more sense to just hit start just before I leave.
 
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Unless you have it plugged into L2 scheduling is pretty much useless
That's obviously wrong. Plenty of replies here that the feature works for other people, plugged or not.

To be expected to push-a-button to start the entire car and baby sit that button every 15 minutes to keep it going is rediculous when EVs have the built-in ability to schedule when they should be ready to drive.

People need to stop suggesting, "just use remote start". I don't want to do crap with my phone, which is usually in my coat pocket, especially at work, when I'm busy. The car should do the features it's built to do.
 
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it makes more sense to just hit start just before I leave.
No it doesn't. Unless you can figure out the math in your head based on the outside temperature, you have no idea how much time is needed to have the cabin ready for driving at the expected time. That's the job of the car to figure that out.
 

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That's obviously wrong. Plenty of replies here that the feature works for other people, plugged or not.

To be expected to push-a-button to start the entire car and baby sit that button every 15 minutes to keep it going is rediculous when EVs have the built-in ability to schedule when they should be ready to drive.

People need to stop suggesting, "just use remote start". I don't want to do crap with my phone, which is usually in my coat pocket, especially at work, when I'm busy. The car should do the features it's built to do.
I was mistaken - it did work. I set auto start for 4:30 and my car is warming up. It may have not started as early as I expected because it is in a 50F garage. That being said the way it works, when unplugged, is my phone sent out an auto start just as if I did it myself. So the car does not do it in the same manner as if plugged in. So it is not the car doing it rather it is the phone when the car is not plugged in. Really that switch in FP is an automatic auto start option. It even cautions you that remote starting when unplugged may deplete your battery.
 


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That's obviously wrong. Plenty of replies here that the feature works for other people, plugged or not.

To be expected to push-a-button to start the entire car and baby sit that button every 15 minutes to keep it going is rediculous when EVs have the built-in ability to schedule when they should be ready to drive.

People need to stop suggesting, "just use remote start". I don't want to do crap with my phone, which is usually in my coat pocket, especially at work, when I'm busy. The car should do the features it's built to do.
No it is pretty much useless I never said it should work or not but since it does the same thing as pushing the remote start button it is redundant, more work and more of a chance of it not working than just hitting remote start.

If you want to hear the difference between battery preconditioning and hvac running sit in the car cold start it with HVAC running and listen to the blower then shut down the heating and listen for the recirc pump to kick and hear its sound. This will be my fourth winter running departure scheduling and as it has been buggy I have hooked the OBD2 to it. It heats the batteries up to about 15C and only when plugged into L2.

You have been informed of that numerous times in this thread and have been given the work around of just pushing remote start if not plugged in to do the cabin. If you expect all software to have absolutely no bugs you bought the wrong car. If there is a quick work around that does the same thing that is as good as a fix.
 

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No it doesn't. Unless you can figure out the math in your head based on the outside temperature, you have no idea how much time is needed to have the cabin ready for driving at the expected time. That's the job of the car to figure that out.
I will tell you from experience that at -20F the cabin is fully conditioned in 15 minutes. When unplugged your phone auto starts the car so you get 15 minutes. I have no idea how far in advance the cabin conditions when the vehicle is plugged in but any more than 15 minutes prior to departure time would appear to be a waste of energy. Bottom line is I have confirmed departure time setting in FP when unplugged does work for me (does not solve your issue), the mechanism is FP auto starts your car, and now I will return to my tried and true method that always works with direct feedback and that is auto starting just before I leave from wherever I may be at the moment
 

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I will tell you from experience that at -20F the cabin is fully conditioned in 15 minutes. When unplugged your phone auto starts the car so you get 15 minutes. I have no idea how far in advance the cabin conditions when the vehicle is plugged in but any more than 15 minutes prior to departure time would appear to be a waste of energy. Bottom line is I have confirmed departure time setting in FP when unplugged does work for me (does not solve your issue), the mechanism is FP auto starts your car, and now I will return to my tried and true method that always works with direct feedback and that is auto starting just before I leave from wherever I may be at the moment
I only run schedules when plugged. As I noted above always the last 15 minutes and it does not matter how cold. It will start the procedure at different times and precondition the batteries for a variable amount of time depending on temp. So the overall preconditioning time will vary but the cabin heat is always the last 15 minutes. It will run a bit longer if you do not get out there in time.
 

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No it is pretty much useless I never said it should work or not but since it does the same thing as pushing the remote start button it is redundant, more work and more of a chance of it not working than just hitting remote start.

If you want to hear the difference between battery preconditioning and hvac running sit in the car cold start it with HVAC running and listen to the blower then shut down the heating and listen for the recirc pump to kick and hear its sound. This will be my fourth winter running departure scheduling and as it has been buggy I have hooked the OBD2 to it. It heats the batteries up to about 15C and only when plugged into L2.

You have been informed of that numerous times in this thread and have been given the work around of just pushing remote start if not plugged in to do the cabin. If you expect all software to have absolutely no bugs you bought the wrong car. If there is a quick work around that does the same thing that is as good as a fix.
I work in a facility that doesn’t allow cell phones. So I would want this feature to work so when I get out to the parking lot after work the car’s cabin is at my desired temperature. A workaround is not the right answer. This needs to be fixed by Ford.
 

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My 2021 Job2 car last got OTA Power-Up 6.1.0. Scheduling works for my car whether plugged in or not. I get a notification on my phone that the car has completed its pre-heating or pre-cooling of the cabin when it reaches the "warm" setting that I have set. It will not precondition the battery when it is not plugged into an L2 EVSE. ?‍♂?
 

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I work in a facility that doesn’t allow cell phones. So I would want this feature to work so when I get out to the parking lot after work the car’s cabin is at my desired temperature. A workaround is not the right answer. This needs to be fixed by Ford.
As I mentioned it is an automatic autostart from your cell phone initiated by Ford Pass and not initiated in your car programming when your car is not plugged in. There is nothing to fix.
 

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As I mentioned it is an automatic autostart from your cell phone initiated by Ford Pass and not initiated in your car programming when your car is not plugged in. There is nothing to fix.
C’mon, if I turn this toggle on in FP and I get out to my car and nothing has happened then it’s broken and does in fact need to be fixed. Especially with my phone being in the car and having perfect connectivity.
 

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I agree. Ford could remove the whole "location based charging" thing entirely. K.I.S.S. is always better.
I disagree. My home has a special 2d electric meter provided by our utility company for EV charging, with electric rates at wildly variable cost... cheapest is 5.3 kWh while the most expensive is 17.5 kWh. This location-based time charging feature has saved me a lot of $$ since 2011.
 
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If you expect all software to have absolutely no bugs you bought the wrong car.
Did you look at the price on the window when you bought the Mach E? YES I expect EVERYTHING to work for that price.
 
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I disagree. My home has a special 2d electric meter provided by our utility company for EV charging, with electric rates at wildly variable cost... cheapest is 5.3 kWh while the most expensive is 17.5 kWh. This location-based time charging feature has saved me a lot of $$ since 2011.
You're right. I didn't think that through. It is a good feature to schedule when-to-charge times based on location for when electricity is cheapest.
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