Recommendations for L-2 EVSE

[kennethjk]

Entirely not true that they are not UL listed. Selling non-UL listed appliances is a serious crime, as would stating UL listing when it is not.

Are you 100% sure that it is illegal to sell appliances that are UL listed?

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[generaltso]

Are you 100% sure that it is illegal to sell appliances that sent UL listed?

There is no legal requirement for UL listing.

 

[bbulkow]

There is no legal requirement for UL listing.

I stand corrected.

However, it is a requirement for selling at so many retailers as to be a de-facto requrirement. Like Amazon.

The Grizzl-E *IS* UL listed. Whoever said it wasn't should explain themselves, unless they work for another box manufacturer.

 

[telepheedian]

I stand corrected.

However, it is a requirement for selling at so many retailers as to be a de-facto requrirement. Like Amazon.

The Grizzl-E *IS* UL listed. Whoever said it wasn't should explain themselves, unless they work for another box manufacturer.

You guys are right, Grizzl-E is UL certified. This was my mistake, and it wasn’t driven by any ulterior motives, I don’t work for any companies in the automotive or EV space. I have corrected my original post.

That said, UL certification is kind of a mess right now for EVSEs. There’s all sorts of non-certified junk being sold on Amazon, along with a few other companies that have claimed UL certification because the EVSEs are built with UL-certified parts, even though the completed unit itself hasn’t been tested and certified. Enforcement appears to be lax at the moment.

 

[Mach-Lee]

You guys are right, Grizzl-E is UL certified. This was my mistake, and it wasn’t driven by any ulterior motives, I don’t work for any companies in the automotive or EV space. I have corrected my original post.

That said, UL certification is kind of a mess right now for EVSEs. There’s all sorts of non-certified junk being sold on Amazon, along with a few other companies that have claimed UL certification because the EVSEs are built with UL-certified parts, even though the completed unit itself hasn’t been tested and certified. Enforcement appears to be lax at the moment.

UL is sort of a scam anyway, ask anyone who’s ever tried to get something certified. It doesn’t ensure the product you end up is actually safe, only that the design was safe at one point in time before it was modified to be cheaper. I’ve had several UL listed products that had major quality issues and were unsafe.

 

[Maquis]

UL is sort of a scam anyway, ask anyone who’s ever tried to get something certified. It doesn’t ensure the product you end up is actually safe, only that the design was safe at one point in time before it was modified to be cheaper. I’ve had several UL listed products that had major quality issues and were unsafe.

A UL listing means a product was tested to meet a safety standard. I agree, it doesn’t imply (or intend to imply) any level of quality or reliability outside of what’s written in the standard.

However, any changes to a product design that may impact compliance to the standard are required to be resubmitted for new testing. It’s expensive.

My experience from my days in the electrical business is that counterfeit UL labels are a bigger problem that companies making post-listing changes.

UL was formed by insurance companies to mitigate their risk from unsafe products. Most jurisdictions do not legally require the use of listed products. The biggest risk to a user is that if a loss (such as a fire) is deemed to be caused by unlisted products, the loss might not be covered. This rarely happens, in reality.

It should also be noted that UL isn’t the only game in town. 2 other main players that list electrical products for use in the US are ETL and CSA. However, for the most part, they are testing to standards written by UL.

Just adding my 2 cents!

 

[HuntingPudel]

UL is sort of a scam anyway, ask anyone who’s ever tried to get something certified. It doesn’t ensure the product you end up is actually safe, only that the design was safe at one point in time before it was modified to be cheaper. I’ve had several UL listed products that had major quality issues and were unsafe.

Technically, any product that has had a modification to its component count (especially anything that connects to Mains power or is near the Mains power components) or any changes that affect creepage, clearance, ventilation, etc. needs to be re-tested for compliance to relevant safety standards. I did a couple of decades as an Agency Compliance Engineer and I always hated safety. EMC was more my thing. LOL. ??

There is also supposed to be HiPot assembly line testing of assembled units for anything that connects to Mains voltage. I still remember when our idiot Productions and Ops manager was having issues with one of our HiPot testers and flipped it on and hit the button while I was trying to diagnose. GR-RRR! ?? I didn’t even get an apology. ?

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