So long, it's been fun.

[Eosin]

My numbers are united states numbers and that is it.


During the year 2020, Audi sold a total of 5,919 e-tron SUVs (up 10%) and 1,283 e-tron Sportbacks (new), which brings us to a total of 7,202 BEVs (up 34% year-over-year).

Cumulatively, Audi sold 12,571 all-electric cars in the U.S.]

anything else their eosin you like you to check? your thoughts are wrong from not reading what I wrote right. cheerio chap.

Sure... Can you double check your figure on the number of Audi dealers in the U.S? Audi claims to have over 300.

https://media.audiusa.com/en-us/company-information

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[Eosin]

"Audi announced that during 2020, the global sales of e-tron and e-tron Sportback increased by 79.5% year-over-year to 47,324."

Keyword is "global", in the very first sentence of that article. It is a fine car, but the salesperson boasting that the dealer moves 60 units a month is part of the usual sales tactics pressuring prospective buyers into making a decision right away. It's a mass produced product, there will be one available next week and next month, the VIN might change next month but will more than likely be the same next week.

Yeah looks like the the US numbers are only a small fraction of the global sales. I also agree the dealer probably exaggerates their sales numbers to convince people who are on the fence about purchasing to complete the deal. I don't believe much of anything sales people tell me.

 

[Dmhccs]

My thoughts:
From what I’ve seen, there isn’t an electric car on the market that ticks all my “wants”, but the Mustang Mach E is closest (key wants: NOT a Tesla, decent range, AWD, advanced driver assistance features, including limited hands-off capabilities, robust product support network, compatibility with the Apple ecosystem, miscellaneous functional features (decent audio system, auto-dining interior/exterior mirrors, heated/ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, advanced auto park (think Hyundai), driver-centric information displays, UX that doesn’t require diverting attention from driving for most functions (for example, robust voice commands, hard controls where it makes sense)).
I’ve never bought the launch year of a new auto. I know too many people in the auto industry to understand how tough it is to launch a totally new product. The Mustang Mach E is such a compelling proposition that I walked into it, eyes pretty wide open, expecting delays and first model year hiccups. Of course I didn’t expect COVID. Oh well.
I suspect that, had the Lincoln/Rivian vehicle panned out, that might have ticked more boxes, but it might have been out of the price range as well.
TheVW ID.4 was an alternative I would have considered until I investigated it more. The initial reviews are poor and the automation and other functionality is lacking.
Audi and Jaguar are hideously expensive and don’t have any path (that I can see) for driver assistance beyond lane keeping/centering and adaptive cruise control.
Cadillac Lyriq sounds very interesting on paper, but it’s also far away from being a reality and I doubt they’ll hit their schedule or price targets.
In the end, it was getting to be about time for me to stop with the liquified Dino powered vehicles, and the Mustang Mach E was the poke in the back I needed to dive into the electron pool. It should be here in a few weeks, then I can get to the serious work of modifying the front trunk to be a koi pond.?

I agree with you as well. I looked at the I-pace but it wasn’t for me. However, what is the “advanced auto park” you speak of??

 

[trutolife27]

Sure... Can you double check your figure on the number of Audi dealers in the U.S? Audi claims to have over 300.

https://media.audiusa.com/en-us/company-information

not all of the dealers even sold one etron. That is why I adjusted to the numbers that did have a sale.

That is why called the post out of 60 per month. lol so even let's say each of around 300 dealers sold them. round it up to even 6,000. that would only be 20 total a year. they are not selling that great here. That is why they are sitting at the dealer and why massive discounts.

I made my calls I could not find one anywhere the price he paid. If that is what he paid great for him.

 

[mcyee1]

Wow,

Lotta heat generated on this thread but I’d just like to say I picked up my Grabber Blue FE from Towne Ford yesterday (same dealer as OP) and the car is fabulous. So far none of the problems that have been detailed in this Forum that made me doubt whether I should even follow through with my order.

While the statements about poor communication and repeated delays are certainly true, I’m very glad Ford went out of its way to fix the issues before delivery, so that I now have what I consider to be an amazing electric vehicle. Time will tell about reliability but I know if something goes wrong there is a large experienced company with a great supply chain standing behind it.

I certainly understand why some of you have gone elsewhere but for those of you who are waiting - your patience will be richly rewarded.

 

[theblueone]

not all of the dealers even sold one etron. That is why I adjusted to the numbers that did have a sale.

That is why called the post out of 60 per month. lol so even let's say each of around 300 dealers sold them. round it up to even 6,000. that would only be 20 total a year. they are not selling that great here. That is why they are sitting at the dealer and why massive discounts.

I made my calls I could not find one anywhere the price he paid. If that is what he paid great for him.

Since you seem pretty concerned over this figure, I'll let you know what we've seen if you are genuinely curious. We spend most of our time these days in a downtown area which serves maybe 10-15k people in what probably makes up roughly 5, MAYBE 10 percent of our dealership's geographical market (roughly 300k people, as one of two Audi dealerships in San Mateo county). On our afternoon walk with our dog, we saw four e-trons, not including the one in our garage. Four (two standard, two sportback) have driven by our house since I started to write this comment. We have seen them in every color/brake caliper/body shape variant available in our neighborhood in the last few months (at least 15 different combinations). Assuming that there are some variants which are common to multiple cars in the area (for example, we're at least the second Galaxy Blue one, and there are multiple gray ones with different bumper stickers on them, and several black ones, white ones, etc.), my best guess is that there are at least 20, probably 30-40 in our 10-15k person neighborhood alone.

Now, we live in the heart of Silicon Valley, very close to Tesla HQ, in the heart of EV country. There are dozens of charging stations within just a few blocks of our house. We saw the Model 3 while we were on a bike ride, before one was ever sold to a customer. We've also seen no fewer than 12 different color/caliper combos of Porsche Taycans in this same neighborhood. It is not uncommon to see what we call "Tesla Tac Toe" (three Tesla's in a row), on the street, and on that same afternoon walk we saw a four-way intersection with a Model X, a Model 3, and an e-tron on three of the four corners of the street. Our new e-tron is parked next to a white Model 3, and 3/16 of the cars in our apartment complex are EV's. Is that representative of the rest of the country? Definitely not. But neither is the claim of 60 e-tron sales a month, nor should anyone have the expectation that it would be.

Could you be right that the dealership is inflating the 60/month number? Quite possibly. We asked for this figure after we had already purchased the car, so they had no reason to lie to us to drive us towards a sale. But given our back of the envelope math based on the number in our little slice of the area, I'd be shocked if they sell fewer than ~30/month. A big part of the reason we were driven to the e-tron when our Mach-e hopes were dashed over and over again is the sheer number of them that we see on a daily basis, and how obviously attractive and powerful it is when it drives by.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. EV's are on the rise, and the Bay Area has adopted them in absolutely wild numbers. Our buying experience was likely shaped by an incredibly competitive EV landscape that is definitely not the norm. I am rooting for each and every one of the companies that builds these EV's (including Ford, and even Tesla) to succeed, because we all win if they do.

 

[Jimrpa]

I agree with you as well. I looked at the I-pace but it wasn’t for me. However, what is the “advanced auto park” you speak of??

Hyundai has a clever trick auto park out that works like Ford’s except you can do it from the fob without being in the car. Nice if some silly Escalade has parked right up against your driver’s door or something ???

 

[ARK]

Since you seem pretty concerned over this figure, I'll let you know what we've seen if you are genuinely curious. We spend most of our time these days in a downtown area which serves maybe 10-15k people in what probably makes up roughly 5, MAYBE 10 percent of our dealership's geographical market (roughly 300k people, as one of two Audi dealerships in San Mateo county). On our afternoon walk with our dog, we saw four e-trons, not including the one in our garage. Four (two standard, two sportback) have driven by our house since I started to write this comment. We have seen them in every color/brake caliper/body shape variant available in our neighborhood in the last few months (at least 15 different combinations). Assuming that there are some variants which are common to multiple cars in the area (for example, we're at least the second Galaxy Blue one, and there are multiple gray ones with different bumper stickers on them, and several black ones, white ones, etc.), my best guess is that there are at least 20, probably 30-40 in our 10-15k person neighborhood alone.

Now, we live in the heart of Silicon Valley, very close to Tesla HQ, in the heart of EV country. There are dozens of charging stations within just a few blocks of our house. We saw the Model 3 while we were on a bike ride, before one was ever sold to a customer. We've also seen no fewer than 12 different color/caliper combos of Porsche Taycans in this same neighborhood. It is not uncommon to see what we call "Tesla Tac Toe" (three Tesla's in a row), on the street, and on that same afternoon walk we saw a four-way intersection with a Model X, a Model 3, and an e-tron on three of the four corners of the street. Our new e-tron is parked next to a white Model 3, and 3/16 of the cars in our apartment complex are EV's. Is that representative of the rest of the country? Definitely not. But neither is the claim of 60 e-tron sales a month, nor should anyone have the expectation that it would be.

Could you be right that the dealership is inflating the 60/month number? Quite possibly. We asked for this figure after we had already purchased the car, so they had no reason to lie to us to drive us towards a sale. But given our back of the envelope math based on the number in our little slice of the area, I'd be shocked if they sell fewer than ~30/month. A big part of the reason we were driven to the e-tron when our Mach-e hopes were dashed over and over again is the sheer number of them that we see on a daily basis, and how obviously attractive and powerful it is when it drives by.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. EV's are on the rise, and the Bay Area has adopted them in absolutely wild numbers. Our buying experience was likely shaped by an incredibly competitive EV landscape that is definitely not the norm. I am rooting for each and every one of the companies that builds these EV's (including Ford, and even Tesla) to succeed, because we all win if they do.

As a side note, you chose the best color IMO on the e-tron. There is a Galaxy Blue e-tron I see in my neighborhood all the time, always enjoy seeing it go by, it is radiant under the sun. Unfortunately the e-tron has the same problem as the MME in that most of the available colors are on the greyscale.

 

[theblueone]

As a side note, you chose the best color IMO on the e-tron. There is a Galaxy Blue e-tron I see in my neighborhood all the time, always enjoy seeing it go by, it is radiant under the sun. Unfortunately the e-tron has the same problem as the MME in that most of the available colors are on the greyscale.

I love it! The only downside is trying to get a realistic picture to send to people.

My fiancée and I both agree that the grayscale is boring, but we also went Grabber Blue for the MME. The dealer said that the only ones that don't sell as quickly are the Catalunya Red, which we've seen in the wild and it's a very loud color. We considered it ourselves, but I could see how it would be too much for some people.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

An e-Tron can’t even get around this island I live in without recharging. It’s a flat out no go.

Enjoy your car.

 

[theblueone]

Wow,

Lotta heat generated on this thread but I’d just like to say I picked up my Grabber Blue FE from Towne Ford yesterday (same dealer as OP) and the car is fabulous. So far none of the problems that have been detailed in this Forum that made me doubt whether I should even follow through with my order.

While the statements about poor communication and repeated delays are certainly true, I’m very glad Ford went out of its way to fix the issues before delivery, so that I now have what I consider to be an amazing electric vehicle. Time will tell about reliability but I know if something goes wrong there is a large experienced company with a great supply chain standing behind it.

I certainly understand why some of you have gone elsewhere but for those of you who are waiting - your patience will be richly rewarded.

I hope your car is awesome!

I'll admit that hearing from the dealer that your unit (and one other) that were scheduled to come in after ours had arrived first stung a lot, but I still want as many people as possible to succeed in adopting EV's. I actually spoke to Towne today to streamline another forum member's path to getting my reservation released into the open market. I hope they enjoy it a lot.

On a slight tangent, the offline EV community is wonderful! We muddled our way through a test charge at a public station, and two different EV drivers offered to help us figure out the EVgo terminal we were using. It truly feels like joining a family, and they're excited to have you on board.

 

[theblueone]

An e-Tron can’t even get around this island I live in without recharging. It’s a flat out no go.

Enjoy your car.

At the end of the day this post isn't to try and steal anyone way from the MME, just share my experience.

I would encourage you to put the MME and anything else you're curious about into ABetterRoutePlanner and pick what suits your needs. I see the e-tron with the range to lap any Hawaiian Island nonstop, but mine will never get the chance to find out on account of the ocean between us.

Having only ever lapped Maui I would personally put a lot more value on the extra 2" of ground clearance than the ability to do it without charging along the way. (I'm also curious how frequently you need to circumnavigate your island with no time for a 30 minute charge, but that's not the point.)

I truly hope your MME experience is a great one.

 

[bc15]

I stand corrected, net selling price was actually slightly higher than the MME GT at $61,524. However this is for an e-tron premium plus trim in galaxy blue with some added features, at an MSRP about $2k over what you showed for the plain black. If you're willing to give up the B&O sound system and the ventilated seats, you can get the base e-tron premium with the comfort package and have all the other premium plus features for a few thousand less. (We weren't as drawn to the available ones, but you can configure them however you want if you're willing to wait 6 months.)

Ignoring the easily removable upsell on the paint protection, they gave me over $15,300 in pre-tax incentives, and I'll still get the full $7500 federal credit on next year's filing. Some of that discount was for being able to pay cash on the spot, but I was only able to do that because I had been saving to do the same for the MME due to the lack of appealing financing. The state and federal fees ($910) were about $50 higher than what my research led me to expect for the Mustang FE.

Audi is running some pretty crazy deals right now, and we honestly weren't expecting to find a car like this at this price. In my personal opinion, the features like an extra 2" of ground clearance (on adjustable air suspension), the ventilated seats, and the peace of mind from a test drive and the e-tron being a 3 year old product line all made a big difference. I think the shorter range is balanced by the faster charge rate, and my $0.02 is that ten years from now I'll be more interested in the rate of charge than the range anxiety with a more mature charging network.

I'm not trying to make this a personal thing, but this is exactly what @kikibop meant about Ford losing their evangelists. I've wanted the MME so badly since the day it was announced, and after a literal year of being trickle-fed information, I opened myself to the possibility of something else and found a customer experience that got me smoothly from test drive to sale in under 24 hours, for less than I expected. Now I'm singing their praises on the mach e forum. Some people will want a Mustang no matter what, and that's fine. I was looking for a solid AWD electric car and I found one, just not the one I had expected.

Wow, that’s a helluva deal! I’m currently sitting on a quote on a e-tron premium in the same color with the convenience package, looking at about $12k off MSRP and 0% financing. My MME order is scheduled to be built at the end of April, but I went to test drive the MME and e-tron back to back yesterday when the dealer mentioned that they have an unclaimed grabber blue FE coming in this week. I’m literally paralyzed with the decision. I like both cars a lot, probably not a wrong choice here, but I can’t decide between the grabber blue FE, waiting a few more months for my premium E4x, or going with the e-tron.

 

[jimbobiii]

Towne Ford marked this car up 5k now that it’s been released

 

[salt]

I've been waiting for a build date since January. I have no idea how all of you have been able to handle this. We test drove a Tesla Y and the sales experience was night and day different from having to deal with the Ford dealerships. In the past, we've had a dealership literally wreck our car in their own damn parking lot. The concept of buying a vehicle for a 'better network' is lost on us. No one at the dealerships know anything about the Mach-E and the ones that do, hate it. They even talk poorly about Ford for selling it online.

The dealerships aren't being the middlemen customers require. We get no communication from anyone, Ford or the dealership. In fact, they try and sabotage the process.

My wife continually tells me that she tries not to think about how much she loved driving the Model Y. We have two cars currently. We can wait 6 months, but with no communication, and watching everyone else wait endlessly? I don't blame people from jumping ship.

I have a lot of reservations about the company Tesla. But all of this is having me look at my reservations about dealing with a crappy ford dealership sales process and service center instead of a company that has a great sales process, and service techs that likely understand and respect electric vehicles as a whole.

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