SYNC-26.2.8.3 (the big SYNC update)

[dermot]

Started up the car this morning and the update was there. 2021 First Edition

Anyone in Canada get it yet? I don't have it as an option in FDRS.

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[music_cities]

Anyone in Canada get it yet? I don't have it as an option in FDRS.

yes

 

[dermot]

yes

interesting how these work -- 2023 Mach-e, 2024 Lightning - FDRS and nothing.

 

[Maui]

I don't think it has made it to the 2023 yet

 

[markboris]

Requirement by safety regulators that there has to be a physical button for max defrost.

Not in the US. As far as I know, China is the only country that requires a physical max defrost button. I know both Tesla and Rivian do not have physical max defrost buttons and their might be others.

 

[devmach-e]

Not in the US. As far as I know, China is the only country that requires a physical max defrost button. I know both Tesla and Rivian do not have physical max defrost buttons and their might be others.

We’re having a debate over this in another thread. While the regulations don’t specifically require a physical button, it appears that in order to comply with FMVSS 103, a physical button appears to be the easiest way for manufacturers to do so.

 

[Mache_Nor]

Not in the US. As far as I know, China is the only country that requires a physical max defrost button. I know both Tesla and Rivian do not have physical max defrost buttons and their might be others.

Not sure if it’s regulated here in EU, but at least in Norway we have a max defrost button too, down with out left leg (where brightness buttons are). Maybe it’s US marked not having it?

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

We’re having a debate over this in another thread. While the regulations don’t specifically require a physical button, it appears that in order to comply with FMVSS 103, a physical button appears to be the easiest way for manufacturers to do so.

That is correct. The requirement is a set time until defrosted so if you only have a software button and your software takes a little long to boot or your screen doesn't turn on, it's an automatic recall.

 

[markboris]

That is correct. The requirement is a set time until defrosted so if you only have a software button and your software takes a little long to boot or your screen doesn't turn on, it's an automatic recall.

Maybe the reason Tesla and Rivian don't have a physical MAX defrost button is because their screen's are already on by the time you sit in the drivers seat and the HVAC controls are instantly available. Maybe their screens not turning on at all is something that rarely or never happens so they aren't worried about it?

I personally, have never used the defrost setting let alone the MAX defrost setting in the last 5+ years in any of my Mach-E's. The HVAC is always set to Auto (72˚) and the car does a great job of keeping the interior temperature comfortable and the windows clear. I replaced the physical Max Defrost button on all three Mach-E's with a liftgate button which I use almost on a daily basis.

 

[AZBill]

Not in the US. As far as I know, China is the only country that requires a physical max defrost button. I know both Tesla and Rivian do not have physical max defrost buttons and their might be others.

My Cadillac does not have a max defrost button, only touch screen.

 

[markboris]

I can't turn off the HVAC without opening a menu. I can't turn off dual control without opening the slow menu. Which btw, futzing with HVAC controls is technically distracted driving in Michigan. IF you get in an accident turning off the HVAC while you wait for the menu to pop up you'll be liable).

I turn off the HVAC (which also turns off dual temp controls) without opening a menu. Push the fan button and give the control knob a spin to the left. Two seconds and done.

 

[NY_Cade69]

That is correct. The requirement is a set time until defrosted so if you only have a software button and your software takes a little long to boot or your screen doesn't turn on, it's an automatic recall.

The set time is 40 minutes per 103...
Sample test with outlines at 5 minute intervals

Pass/Fail areas with required minimums to pass at a specific point in time

BTW, this was on a Rabbit with manual controls. It beat test minimums (which are still the same) with 20 minutes to spare...

Bottom line: if a car can meet or beat the minimums at 20, 25, and 40 minutes it passes, even if it does little or nothing in the preceding minutes.

 

[pixelpusher15]

That is correct. The requirement is a set time until defrosted so if you only have a software button and your software takes a little long to boot or your screen doesn't turn on, it's an automatic recall.

If your software takes too long to pop up a max defrost button and that makes it so you can't meet the defrost metrics of 20 and 40 minutes then you have much larger problems.

Again, the expedition doesn't have a physical defrost button and so don't many other cars.

People, stop excusing Ford for either crappily slow software or dumb design. There's no good reason to duplicate a button like this. Fix your software or fix your car design. Seems like they did in the Expedition but I'm guessing everyone there will now complain they don't have double max defrost buttons, right? That's how the logic in this thread works.

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