Tesla Launched FSD v14

[bibkisbu]

All this PR is not worth a can of beans. Tesla's own legal team states every time in the court room their system is only level #2 and requires full supervision. No and, but or anything else exists.

what does level 2 have to do with capability?

Even the SAE J0316 document clearly states that SAE levels are regulatory only and have no bearing on performance.

That's like saying all level 2 systems are the same. Of course not

Autopilot from 2015 in a tesla works on any roads and it can drive with no lane markings because it follows the car in front



This is better than 99% of ADAS systems in 2025. How have these systems not gotten better?

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[bibkisbu]

There is no law preventing self driving from cameras only.

 

[bibkisbu]

There are no laws anywhere in the U.S. or the world that require lidar. Tesla is already approved for driverless operation in texas. with no one behind the wheel. I mean robotaxi already has no one behind the wheel, just in the passenger's seat.

Because it works.


what? Find me a law that requires this. It does not exist

These cameras are HDR. They have higher dynamic range than your own eyes, and they do not experience glare, ghosting, afterimages, and do not feel pain when driving into the sun. When staring into the sun, when driving in heavy rain, at night , etc. they see better than your own eyes do. It's crazy.

luckily you don't have to see it. Tesla is already approved to run driverless in texas. Self driving manufacturers in most states "self certify" the performance of their system. In states with more complex requirements, lidar is not one of them. You just have to test and report disengagements for a period of time

Self certification involves designing a car which can perform minimum risk maneuvers, has redundancy, etc. Tesla has all of that. There are no laws preventing tesla self driving from being used

 

[bibkisbu]

WTF. Where did you get that idea?

Tesla was approved because they meet all legal requirements for approval.

Just like they meet all legal requirements anywhere in the world.

Tesla also can be approved in 19 other states overnight. It's no issue. There are 9 more states which require testing, but tesla is not prohibited.

21 states have no laws yet

 

[bibkisbu]

What do you mean when you see it? Tesla already has approval in many states

They are approved in florida, texas, nevada, arizona, and several others


People have this shocking misconception that cameras are blinded by the sun, can't see at night, or in heavy rain, or they don't work in fog.

in every one of these conditions, cameras outperform your own eyes. They have better low light sensitivity, see better in rain, into the sun, and they see better in fog. Your eyes do see better at night if you can adjust, but with headlights around you do not adjust to night vision.

tesla vehicles also have more expensive matrix headlights. They are one of only 2 companies with matrix headlights in the U.S. and they have permanent, always-on high beams which carve out a path around other cars.

The limitations of camera only driving would be similar to the limitations of human only driving, where you drive slower in fog, at night, in heavy rain, etc.

Lidar also has problems in fog and heavy rain/snow

people have this misconception that cars with cameras only are fooled by wil-e-coyote style walls because mark rober says so. He did not test FSD and of course, FSD sees these walls just fine.

What people don't realize is depth perception is partially inferred from motion so the FSD cameras have no problems identifying a stationary wall.

it's the same with heavy water. if you want to avoid a child behind a solid wall of water, you just slow down for the wall of water and don't drive through. That's what FSD does already

 

[GoldNekNinja]

The forum's arguing quite a lot over FSD, but the truth is whatever system makes it out first to mass market will be dominating.


Legacy auto brands are too slow to do it themselves, so they rely on 3rd parties. Most of the time, 3rd parties are not big enough or don't have enough fleet vehicles to make decisions.


Newer companies like Rivian, Xpeng, and Tesla, and Waymo are paving the way forward, each with their own nuances. It honestly comes down to what is the safest system that is the easiest to scale with. I wish all companies the best, and we will see in a couple years who will dominate.

 

[bibkisbu]

I'm not selling it to anyone. In fact I would not recommend anyone buy a tesla until minimum there is a path to unsupervised for consumers and AI5 comes out.

The software now does have value if you are looking for a new car

 

[bibkisbu]

Legacy auto brands are too slow to do it themselves, so they rely on 3rd parties. Most of the time, 3rd parties are not big enough or don't have enough fleet vehicles to make decisions.

I don't believe 3rd party licensing of self driving is possible. There are too many risks with consumer self driving that you would need to build your own cars. It has to be a car manufacturer, otherwise you're just building a car with the design of someone who doesn't know how to build a car. Only a self driving system.

Newer companies like Rivian, Xpeng, and Tesla, and Waymo are paving the way forward, each with their own nuances. It honestly comes down to what is the safest system that is the easiest to scale with. I wish all companies the best, and we will see in a couple years who will dominate.

Waymo is for commercial. Rivian has no chance. They don't have the budget to develop a self driving system. Sensors don't help. If anything they increase compute requirement and make self driving harder.

 

[Billyk24]

what does level 2 have to do with capability?

Even the SAE J0316 document clearly states that SAE levels are regulatory only and have no bearing on performance.

That's like saying all level 2 systems are the same. Of course not

Autopilot from 2015 in a tesla works on any roads and it can drive with no lane markings because it follows the car in front



This is better than 99% of ADAS systems in 2025. How have these systems not gotten better?

Again you are ignoring what Tesla's legal team states in the court room. Regardless of what the vehicle does, the legal team has stated every time in the court room it requires constant supervision and is not level #4.

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