Tesla Launched FSD v14

[Mach1E]

Great question. How many? Please provide a link to the third party audited metrics that support your claim.

To be fair, there are studies showing that autopilot and FSD driven on the highway have fewer crashes than the “average car.”

But also to be fair, those advantages go away as soon as you compare it to similar systems like Bluecruise and Supercruise.

And where the safety goes out the window is when the idiot drivers use things like weights or dark sunglasses to trick the systems and drive without paying attention.

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[bibkisbu]

But also to be fair, those advantages go away as soon as you compare it to similar systems like Bluecruise and Supercruise.

And where the safety goes out the window is when the idiot drivers use things like weights or dark sunglasses to trick the systems and drive without paying attention.

Do you know anything about a tesla? Tesla detects weights on the steering wheel. They also do not have hands-free with autopilot.

Also tesla uses infrared cameras that see through your sunglasses. If it can't see through your sunglasses then driver monitoring (with FSD) does not work.

Autopilot is different from bluecruise as it's not under NHTSA probe for failure to detect stationary vehicles. It understands the cars around it much better. It also is connected to tesla auto emergency braking which is #1 in the world. It also doesn't give up on steep curves and it doesn't need premapping. It predicts the curves ahead

The new FSD v14 update removes autopilot which makes me believe autopilot is coming back but as a variant of FSD v14 technology. That would be ridiculous if it is true because FSD drives in very heavy rain, dodges potholes and doesn't need lane markings

 

[bibkisbu]

Great question. How many? Please provide a link to the third party audited metrics that support your claim.

Tesla includes autopilot on every car. The hardware is there. They never did what other brands did and charge for the hardware

FSD has been used over 4.5 billion miles. And only 10% or something of tesla owners have ever used FSD. That means 90% of ADAS usage is autopilot. Tesla is in good standing with the NHTSA because they report all accidents and autopilot technology is just simply being used more than other automakers.

Tesla produced millions of cars with autopilot hardware. That's more than any automaker in the U.S.

Every tesla produced in 2026 will likely have the new AI5 FSD computer.

AI5 FSD computer is easily a more than $2000 computer. The AI6 computer will be a more than $6000 computer

What people don't realize is the limitation of FSD is not cameras but it is compute. Memory (specifically high bandwidth memory) is crazy expensive. Building a computer with enough of it is not cheap. And then you have power consumption affecting efficiency and range.

If tesla had access to the same kind of supercomputers found in a Waymo (which their vehicles only have 100 miles of range) they'd have self driving much sooner.

 

[TheSteelRider]

FSD has been used over 4.5 billion miles.

Where is the "4.5 billion miles" sourced from? Which versions of hardware / software does that correspond to? How many interventions / mile have there been? I'm curious here to know details!

Tesla produced millions of cars with autopilot hardware. That's more than any automaker in the U.S.

I agree with this statement 100%. Only Tesla has installed Tesla hardware in Telsa vehicles, and no other manufacturer has installed Telsa hardware in their vehicles. It's not clear why this is a big deal, but hey at least we agree on something.

 

[E90alex]

Tesla does not use IR eye tracking. It cannot see through sunglasses. The Tesla driver monitoring camera is easily fooled and there are videos online showing as such.

Ford and other automakers do use IR eye tracking though which is much harder to fool.

The mere existence of HW5 and HW6 already just means that current HW4 will likely not achieve full autonomy because it doesn’t have the compute power to. Otherwise they wouldn’t need to already have exponentially more powerful computers so soon in the pipeline. They already left HW3 and HW3 in the dust despite promising autonomous FSD like 10 years ago.

 

[bibkisbu]

Tesla does not use IR eye tracking. It cannot see through sunglasses. The Tesla driver monitoring camera is easily fooled and there are videos online showing as such.

Ford and other automakers do use IR eye tracking though which is much harder to fool.

The mere existence of HW5 and HW6 already just means that current HW4 will likely not achieve full autonomy because it doesn’t have the compute power to. Otherwise they wouldn’t need to already have exponentially more powerful computers so soon in the pipeline. They already left HW3 and HW3 in the dust despite promising autonomous FSD like 10 years ago.

tesla uses IR eye tracking as the driver monitoring camera sees infrared

The existence of HW5 and HW6 are for new features and a natural progression of self driving. You can always use more compute.

This compute is mainly for the optimus robot

Waymo increases their compute with new generations of hardware

 

[bibkisbu]

I agree with this statement 100%. Only Tesla has installed Tesla hardware in Telsa vehicles, and no other manufacturer has installed Telsa hardware in their vehicles. It's not clear why this is a big deal, but hey at least we agree on something.

I don't think you realize that most manufacturers do not include the same ADAS hardware or any hardware on all trims. GM until this 2026 did not include supercruise on any models unless you paid around $10K for trim upgrades. Basically no lane centering of any kind.

Hyundai/Kia in base trims include HDA1 not HDA2.

What toyota has had for many years is barely lane centering.

Having lane centering as pretty much standard since 2015 (and good lane centering at that) is a tesla exclusive feature.

Autopilot from 2015 in a tesla model S outperforms bluecruise today.

 

[TheSteelRider]

I don't think you realize that most manufacturers do not include the same ADAS hardware or any hardware on all trims. GM until this 2026 did not include supercruise on any models unless you paid around $10K for trim upgrades. Basically no lane centering of any kind.

Hyundai/Kia in base trims include HDA2.

What toyota has had for many years is barely lane centering.

Having lane centering as pretty much standard since 2015 (and good lane centering at that) is a tesla exclusive feature.

Autopilot from 2015 in a tesla model S outperforms bluecruise today.

Ok? Not sure how that answers my question?

Where is the "4.5 billion miles" sourced from? Which versions of hardware / software does that correspond to? How many interventions / mile have there been? I'm curious here to know details!

 

[Mach1E]

Do you know anything about a tesla? Tesla detects weights on the steering wheel. They also do not have hands-free with autopilot.

Also tesla uses infrared cameras that see through your sunglasses. If it can't see through your sunglasses then driver monitoring (with FSD) does not work.

Autopilot is different from bluecruise as it's not under NHTSA probe for failure to detect stationary vehicles. It understands the cars around it much better. It also is connected to tesla auto emergency braking which is #1 in the world. It also doesn't give up on steep curves and it doesn't need premapping. It predicts the curves ahead

The new FSD v14 update removes autopilot which makes me believe autopilot is coming back but as a variant of FSD v14 technology. That would be ridiculous if it is true because FSD drives in very heavy rain, dodges potholes and doesn't need lane markings

For someone who knows so much about Tesla you seem to either purposefully ignore so much or pretend to not know about it.

Already posted I have a friend who uses weights on his steering wheel of his 2020 Model S daily. People have been doing this for a VERY long time. Years and years of video evidence as well.

Even the video I posted above about the driver ASLEEP!! This couldn’t be done if Tesla driver monitoring worked.

Do you think we are only discussing 2025 models or something? Except the Cybertruck apparently because you discount that as an inferior FSD or something.

You can also trick the infrared cameras on the Teslas. Plenty of YouTube video evidence of that one.

 

[bibkisbu]

Already posted I have a friend who uses weights on his steering wheel of his 2020 Model S daily. People have been doing this for a VERY long time. Years and years of video evidence as well.

You can also trick the infrared cameras on the Teslas. Plenty of YouTube video evidence of that one.

Tesla software detects constant torque on the wheel and at least with FSD they give you a strike. It says "defeat device detected." If you get 3 strikes you lose FSD for a period of time. I think it used to be one month but not anymore. Other strikes can be looking at the screen too long, not paying attention to the road, or closing your eyes.

Older legacy model S/X do not have a cabin camera

S/X from 2021+ and model 3 from 2017+ all have cabin camera

You can literally trick the infrared camera and defeat driver monitoring on any car

Tesla has such a large market that there are in fact, defeat devices you can buy for a tesla. These are chips you physically plug into the OBD port which bypass the wheel nags.

There are also chips which unlock acceleration, top speed, etc.

Do you think we are only discussing 2025 models or something? Except the Cybertruck apparently because you discount that as an inferior FSD or something.

There are different tiers of FSD.

Modern HW4 vehicles (S/X/Y/3) pretty much perform the same with now there being small differences in 14.1 because of the bumper camera.

Cybertruck is an entirely new build of FSD which is why it performs worse. It is a separate build for a low-volume vehicle. Similarly australia and china have new builds of FSD.

HW3 vehicles (S/X/Y/3) also perform pretty well with the exception of LEGACY hardware 3 vehicles produced before 2021. Those would be model S/X with the vertical screen.

Those have an air cooled computer that is likely thermal throttling

 

[bibkisbu]

Ok? Not sure how that answers my question?

This number was from yun-ta-tsai who is an FSD engineer. The 4.5 billion miles is from 2024+ which would indicate 12.3.6 or higher on HW3/HW4.

Before then it was in beta and it also cost $200 a month. There were also no free trials

keep in mind any tesla produced before 2019 does not have FSD without a retrofit computer. It is a small minority that would have retrofit. But all teslas since 2015 have autopilot

 

[bibkisbu]

That's completely ignorant. Very few owners paid full price for FSD and very few owners even purchased FSD

it must be less than 5%. Tesla says 50% of owners have never even enabled FSD on their car and used one of the many free trials given to them

Sure tesla has collected some money from FSD, but they also spent close to $20 billion of extremely efficient spending to get there.

Another car company would take more than 5 years from when FSD is finished and likely $40 billion to even have a shot at self driving.

 

[MacherAWD]

Another car company would take more than 5 years from when FSD is finished and likely $40 billion to even have a shot at self driving

Tony stark could develop it in a cave with scrap, I mean he built an arc reactor

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