Tesla Launched FSD v14

[J&S K]

A month ago I borrowed Model Y self-driving as an experiment. Tesla gave me a loaner car, so why not. Used it for a short weekend get away in LA (Getty Museum). Yes, congested LA (freeways and surfaced streets). I found it amazing. It is far, far superior to Blue Cruise, not even close. I have 2021 MME and been trying to use Blue Cruise for 3 years now. Can almost make it on a well-travelled freeway from Phoenix to San Diego. I very rarely had to intercede with the TESLA. It dropped back maybe once or twice the whole 3 days weekend (and I did the parking). Just put in a destination address and go. I was amazed on how it negotiated lane changes, stalled traffic, route changes. Especially getting on and off the busy freeways. A real stress reducer for traveling around LA.

With that said, I dont think I would leave it un-supervised, I was always ready to take over. I would image FSD 14 is another significant step forward for TESLA.

Too bad I am not ready to buy another EV, I'd switch. My MME has lost too much money as a trade in, and not really un-happy with it. It's been a good car, far superior to any other car that I have had. We typically buy new and then keep the car, until the wheels drop off. Maybe not this time, as will watch FSD progress.
IMHO

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[ChehRob]

🥱. Let me know when it’s fully autonomous with no attention required and Tesla takes liability for any accidents.

If I need to pay attention then I might as well just drive the car myself.

Same thing with Blue Cruise. What am I going to do with my hands off the wheel if I can’t use them to do something else? Rest them on my lap? Might as well just rest them on the wheel and not have to pay for it.

For me using the two well placed arm rests takes a lot of burden off my worn-out and achy shoulders. What all of the features of ADAS including Blue Cruise so well, is the relaxing manner by which they change from the various levels of ADAS. In the full hands free level, the driver is responsible only for situational awareness, you can even let your eyes wander a bit - that nanny camera will tell you to quit that wandering after a few seconds. Such traffic academics I have read seem to agree with me that FSD will depend upon smart cars AND smart roads and highways. And probably Lidar.

Tesla is sadly amiss in all of this. Their AP is pretty good.

 

[Billyk24]

There's a lot of misinformation in this thread. Nobody has ever died from tesla FSD. Across over 4.5 billion miles, no one has died.

In the very old versions of FSD (back when there were less miles and less people using it) 2 people did die, because old versions of FSD would actually not include highway driving and the car would switch over to autopilot which is a 2017 software.

The person who died was actually someone who set his speed to 70 in a 45 (when you could do that) and a semi truck pulled out in front of him

Autopilot has completely different perception technology (similar to bluecruise but more advanced) and does not use neural networks.

Since FSD came to highways, FSD was rolled out of beta and no one has died. I believe 12.7 people typically die per billion miles so statistically this software + heavy driver monitoring prevented some deaths.

Bluecruise is actually in a probe by the NHTSA for failing to identify stationary vehicles. Tesla (even autopilot) does not have any inherent hard limitation against detecting stationary vehicles because they use vision and not radar.

Not totally true. There is a CyberTruck that Rammed a telephone pole head on while on FSD. Photo has been posted on this site

 

[GoldNekNinja]

Man all I did was share something about the competition and y'all done turned it into a national debate.

 

[Mach1E]

Man all I did was share something about the competition and y'all done turned it into a national debate.

Kinda hard to talk about autonomous driving without comparing systems and talking about flaws.

Discussion makes the forum more interesting usually.

 

[Jerrytball]

A month ago I borrowed Model Y self-driving as an experiment. Tesla gave me a loaner car, so why not. Used it for a short weekend get away in LA (Getty Museum). Yes, congested LA (freeways and surfaced streets). I found it amazing. It is far, far superior to Blue Cruise, not even close. I have 2021 MME and been trying to use Blue Cruise for 3 years now. Can almost make it on a well-travelled freeway from Phoenix to San Diego. I very rarely had to intercede with the TESLA. It dropped back maybe once or twice the whole 3 days weekend (and I did the parking). Just put in a destination address and go. I was amazed on how it negotiated lane changes, stalled traffic, route changes. Especially getting on and off the busy freeways. A real stress reducer for traveling around LA.

With that said, I dont think I would leave it un-supervised, I was always ready to take over. I would image FSD 14 is another significant step forward for TESLA.

Too bad I am not ready to buy another EV, I'd switch. My MME has lost too much money as a trade in, and not really un-happy with it. It's been a good car, far superior to any other car that I have had. We typically buy new and then keep the car, until the wheels drop off. Maybe not this time, as will watch FSD progress.
IMHO

I do like the Buick commercial where the steering wheel lights up lol

 

[bibkisbu]

Not totally true. There is a CyberTruck that Rammed a telephone pole head on while on FSD. Photo has been posted on this site

that's cybertruck. That is an FSD version below what other cars have

it's second tier FSD at best

 

[bibkisbu]

Those who color things as “Well it downgraded on the freeway so that doesn’t count” are being quite disingenuous. Denying responsibility under the guise of “Oh that was the drivers fault” is akin to saying there have been no DC-8, B-747, B-777, MD-11, B-787, A-340, ad nauseum, crashes because “Human error.”

That makes no sense. It happened with autopilot, therefore it is an autopilot accident. That's fair

 

[Billyk24]

that's cybertruck. That is an FSD version below what other cars have

it's second tier FSD at best

Second tier? After all you spewed about FSD? Can you admit FSD can not meet several states requirements for level #3 because of.....I will let you fill in the blank here. Or hope you know why FSD is stuck at level 2 in several states with current regulatory language.

 

[Jerrytball]

Yeah, I just saw this on the news today.

 

[tls]

There's a lot of misinformation in this thread. Nobody has ever died from tesla FSD. Across over 4.5 billion miles, no one has died.

In the very old versions of FSD (back when there were less miles and less people using it) 2 people did die

Elmo Fanboi Logic at its finest. In a nutshell, why I abandoned the Tesla forums long before we sold our Tesla cars.

 

[jason330i]

Been happy with our Mach-E for several years now. Wish blue cruise would stay engaged more on our Southern California freeways though.
Got a juniper model Y over the summer and have been using our free trial of FSD for 3 months now.
Guys, it is so good I use it daily. I think it’s finally at a point where it’s worth purchasing.
No it’s not perfect but I would be happy if it got to level 3.

 

[bibkisbu]

Second tier? After all you spewed about FSD? Can you admit FSD can not meet several states requirements for level #3 because of.....I will let you fill in the blank here. Or hope you know why FSD is stuck at level 2 in several states with current regulatory language.

Cybertruck FSD is not the same as other FSD. It is an entirely different build of FSD.

Tesla makes a lot of models just like ford makes a lot of models with bluecruise.

There is HW4 with bumper camera

There is HW4

Then there is cybertruck and HW3. Cybertruck does not have the capabilities of other HW4 vehicles.

Cybertruck FSD is worse than the builds of FSD found in China and Europe.

Tesla meets all the requirements for autonomous driving anywhere in the U.S. There are about 20 states that tesla could get approval to drive autonomously overnight if the software were ready.

The only requirements for autonomous driving are performance based. In many states (20 of them) you self-certify performance and certify that the car can perform minimum risk maneuvers. Tesla software already does that.

In 9 other states you need to go through a more involved process which involves testing and approval.

The rest of the 21 states do not have laws on self driving vehicles.

Tesla does not have "level no 3" self driving because that's an entirely different technology branch that does not relate to level 4 driving. Tesla has the capabilities to do level 3 already and has had them for more than 3 years. it's just not a technology that tesla wants to pursue because it relates nothing to real self driving

 

[bibkisbu]

Yeah, I just saw this on the news today.

that probe is for a bug where FSD runs a red light. It's a very rare bug but it does happen

it is fixed already and it's been fixed for about 6 months

keep in mind ford is also under a probe for not seeing stationary vehicles, yet this one is not fixable as it requires a brand new technology that ford doesn't have

 

[MacherAWD]

Cybertruck FSD is not the same as other FSD. It is an entirely different build of FSD.

Tesla makes a lot of models just like ford makes a lot of models with bluecruise.

There is HW4 with bumper camera

There is HW4

Then there is cybertruck and HW3. Cybertruck does not have the capabilities of other HW4 vehicles.

Cybertruck FSD is worse than the builds of FSD found in China and Europe.

Tesla meets all the requirements for autonomous driving anywhere in the U.S. There are about 20 states that tesla could get approval to drive autonomously overnight if the software were ready.

The only requirements for autonomous driving are performance based. In many states (20 of them) you self-certify performance and certify that the car can perform minimum risk maneuvers. Tesla software already does that.

In 9 other states you need to go through a more involved process which involves testing and approval.

The rest of the 21 states do not have laws on self driving vehicles.

Tesla does not have "level no 3" self driving because that's an entirely different technology branch that does not relate to level 4 driving. Tesla has the capabilities to do level 3 already and has had them for more than 3 years. it's just not a technology that tesla wants to pursue because it relates nothing to real self driving

So the same response of every Tesla fanboy over the last 10 years. "Yeah that previous version sucked, but the new version is 100x better and unbelievable. Then in 6 months when v15 comes out we will hear "now this is the greatest and yes the previous was all shite"

Mercedes covers the accident in their L3 scenario. When Tesla covers the cost of accidents then that means we actually have self driving. If I am on the hook for an accident its me driving.

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