Tesla Launched FSD v14

[MacherAWD]

If you look past the lies that elon has told, FSD progress has been very good and about what you would expect.

So here is the issue. The constant lies has been dangerous. I am happy to try out a system that works. But when the company doing it has been lying for 10 straight years it makes it tough to believe when it is someday ready.

So same response for the last 10 years, please don't kill me and my family while you have fun with beta software, some of us didn't opt in to his human experiment.

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[bibkisbu]

So same response for the last 10 years, please don't kill me and my family while you have fun with beta software, some of us didn't opt in to his human experiment. Sponsored

FSD is literally not dangerous

Nobody is dying from FSD

Early versions of FSD were horrible. Tesla required a safety driving score of 100 and only a handful of people ever got access

using bluecruise on highways is far more dangerous than ever using FSD

 

[Mach1E]

FSD is literally not dangerous

Nobody is dying from FSD

Early versions of FSD were horrible. Tesla required a safety driving score of 100 and only a handful of people ever got access

using bluecruise on highways is far more dangerous than ever using FSD

This happens literally EVERY time we have a Tesla thread here.

A random person shows up who just joined the forum, only posts to defend Tesla and is very detailed about how amazing and flawless Tesla is.

Sorry if we don’t exactly believe you. But what you’re saying about Bluecruise is absolute hogwash.

Here is a simple 3rd party comparison between the two:
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...25-ford-mustang-mach-e-comparison-test-review

“We can’t talk tech without addressing the semi-automated driver assistance systems in the room. Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving (Supervised)” gets all the headlines, but is it better than Ford’s BlueCruise? It’s complicated, but in a word, no.”

 

[Mach1E]

FSD is literally not dangerous

Nobody is dying from FSD

Do you have access to Google? If so the number is definitely not “zero.”

“As of October 2024, there have been hundreds of nonfatal incidents involving Autopilot[2] and fifty-nine reported fatalities, fifty-one of which NHTSA investigations or expert testimony later verified and two that NHTSA's Office of Defect Investigations determined as happening during the engagement of Full Self-Driving (FSD).[3] Collectively, these cases culminated in a general recall in December 2023 of all vehicles equipped with Autopilot, which Tesla claims it resolved by an over-the-air software update. Immediately after closing its investigation in April 2024, NHTSA opened a recall query to determine the effectiveness of the recall.[4]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...=As of October 2024, there,US (July 26, 2021)

 

[bibkisbu]

Do you have access to Google? If so the number is definitely not “zero.”

“As of October 2024, there have been hundreds of nonfatal incidents involving Autopilot[2] and fifty-nine reported fatalities, fifty-one of which NHTSA investigations or expert testimony later verified and two that NHTSA's Office of Defect Investigations determined as happening during the engagement of Full Self-Driving (FSD).[3] Collectively, these cases culminated in a general recall in December 2023 of all vehicles equipped with Autopilot, which Tesla claims it resolved by an over-the-air software update. Immediately after closing its investigation in April 2024, NHTSA opened a recall query to determine the effectiveness of the recall.[4]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...=As of October 2024, there,US (July 26, 2021)

Autopilot is a software from 2017.

FSD is not

In fact FSD probably has more miles that bluecruise, yet bluecruise is involved in fatalities

There are two "FSD" deaths but those are not FSD. They are autopilot. I believe there is actually a third REAL FSD death, but this one tesla was completely not at fault in that one.

What happened is for the first 4 years of FSD development there was no FSD on highways or freeways. It was only autopilot. Car would switch to autopilot and that's why many people report "phantom braking" with FSD

When car switched to FSD on highways (mid 2024 and I think Jan 2025 for HW3) all phantom braking went away and the driving behaviors were much better.

Tesla used autopilot on highways because city streets driving was a priority at the time and the "Navigate on autopilot" product for highways was good enough to keep intervention rates low enough.

Since tesla implemented driver monitoring and hands-free in mid 2024, that's when the bulk of FSD usage happened. Before it was less than 1 billion miles.

So FSD has driven a good 4.5+ billion miles with no death of any kind (at fault, even autopilot on highways, or not)

And statistically more than 50 people should have died

 

[E90alex]

“Not dying” is not exactly a great metric to measure how safe or how good FSD is.

There are plenty of shitty drivers who have not killed someone but that doesn’t make them any less shitty.

Even crashes is not a good metric. A good and safe driver is much more than simply not crashing.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Nobody has ever died from tesla FSD

In the very old versions of FSD (back when there were less miles and less people using it) 2 people did die

Those are contradictory statements.

 

[bibkisbu]

Those are contradictory statements.

Did you read what I posted? In early versions of FSD, the car switched over to autopilot when on interstates and highways.

There was a person that was killed because a truck pulled out in front of him while he was going 70mph. Not an FSD issue as it was autopilot and the truck driver was partially at fault. The other fault came from the "driver" who set autopilot speed to 70mph in a 40 zone

then the other was that case with sun glare which was again, autopilot. FSD has no problem with a scenario like that

There was a third, which I believe was a real death, but the guy was hit from behind and pushed of the road. Something like that. It was unavoidable

 

[bibkisbu]

“Not dying” is not exactly a great metric to measure how safe or how good FSD is.

There are plenty of shitty drivers who have not killed someone but that doesn’t make them any less shitty.

Even crashes is not a good metric. A good and safe driver is much more than simply not crashing.

that's the only metric we have. If we look at mistakes arguably FSD v14 makes much less mistakes than the average human

if you watch some videos it literally slams on the brakes to not run yellow lights. Technically that seems wrong but tesla has been known to get tripped up by edge case yellow lights that are way too short

 

[Mach1E]

Those are contradictory statements.

It’s hard to not believe in conspiracy theories when literally EVERY Tesla thread goes this way. Paid interns spinning stories about how great Tesla is.

FSD is freaking expensive and supposed to be way better than things like Bluecruise.

The regular autopilot (also a misleading lie of a name) is also touted to be way better.

In reality, while they have more capabilities, they haven’t proven to be any safer or have fewer disengagements, phantom braking etc.

And then there are the 50+ documented deaths.

Probably the BIGGEST problem with autopilot and FSD isn’t the capabilities, it’s the nonsense BS that’s touted by the fans and company that give drivers TOO MUCH confidence in the systems.

So much so that they put weights on the steering wheels, jump in the back seats and do other nonessential things.

They are lvl 2 drivers AIDS.
The drivers should always be paying attention and always be ready to take over if necessary. They aren’t “autopilot” and absolutely are not “full self driving” vehicles.

 

[bibkisbu]

The regular autopilot (also a misleading lie of a name) is also touted to be way better.

Autopilot is not a misleading name. Planes and boats have autopilot systems. Please educate yourself on what they do. Use autopilot.

Lane centering works on any road and goes for 100s of miles without disengaging. It doesn't give up on curves of pretty much any amount. Most cars can't take steep curves because the steering column control module has limits on how much torque you can apply. It also detects stationary vehicles, which Ford is currently under a probe for

Even better than autopilot is comma.ai

FSD is freaking expensive and supposed to be way better than things like Bluecruise.

FSD is $99 a month. That's not all that expensive for what it does. I don't subscribe unless going on big trips.

In reality, while they have more capabilities, they haven’t proven to be any safer or have fewer disengagements, phantom braking etc.

That's just wrong. You can literally drive for 1000s of miles with no disengagment. I challenge you. Turn on bluecruise in a ford or turn on FSD and bypass driver monitoring. Who dies first? Ridiculous argument.

Probably the BIGGEST problem with autopilot and FSD isn’t the capabilities, it’s the nonsense BS that’s touted by the fans and company that give drivers TOO MUCH confidence in the systems.

You do realize bluecruise is currently under NHTSA probe because it literally can't see stationary vehicles? Even in broad daylight.

You could simply use FSD in a demo drive and see it's not dangerous

So much so that they put weights on the steering wheels, jump in the back seats and do other nonessential things.

you literally can't put a weight on the steering wheel as they detect constant torque

Tesla has in-cabin radar and can detect your heartbeat and breathing as you sit in the driver's seat

And then there are the 50+ documented deaths.

How many teslas have been sold with autopilot technology? How many billions of miles has it been used?

An average of 12.7 people die for every billion miles. Tesla has sold vehicles with ADAS technology since 2015 and includes the hardware on every model for free. They include lane centering for free.

Again none of these deaths are from FSD which is the technology we are discussing.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Did you read what I posted? In early versions of FSD, the car switched over to autopilot when on interstates and highways.

Yes. And as you just said, there were deaths when using FSD. You can color it how you like, but your state is contradictory.

 

[bibkisbu]

Yes. And as you just said, there were deaths when using FSD. You can color it how you like, but your state is contradictory.

You only quoted half of the sentence. Where I clarified the deaths were autopilot related

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

It’s hard to not believe in conspiracy theories when literally EVERY Tesla thread goes this way. Paid interns spinning stories about how great Tesla is.

Pretty much. There are actually websites tracking Tesla deaths caused by either Autopilot or FSD.

Those who color things as “Well it downgraded on the freeway so that doesn’t count” are being quite disingenuous. Denying responsibility under the guise of “Oh that was the drivers fault” is akin to saying there have been no DC-8, B-747, B-777, MD-11, B-787, A-340, ad nauseum, crashes because “Human error.”

There’s no such thing as an idiot proof Adas system and no such thing as one that doesn’t make mistakes, sometimes very serious ones.

 

[Mach1E]

Pretty much. There are actually websites tracking Tesla deaths caused by either Autopilot or FSD.

Those who color things as “Well it downgraded on the freeway so that doesn’t count” are being quite disingenuous. Denying responsibility under the guise of “Oh that was the drivers fault” is akin to saying there have been no DC-8, B-747, B-777, MD-11, B-787, A-340, ad nauseum, crashes because “Human error.”

There’s no such thing as an idiot proof Adas system and no such thing as one that doesn’t make mistakes, sometimes very serious ones.

Yeah and apparently there are also systems that detect negative comments about Tesla and they “release the Tesla bots to defend the mothership.”

So much nonsense above I don’t even know where to begin.

Super cute that we started with “no deaths,” and went to “some deaths,” then after giving documented evidence with full investigations by the NHTSA showing FSD active deaths….. somehow back to “no deaths.”

Just absolutely hilarious that he even stated that you can’t trick the Tesla system with a weight on the steering wheel. Somehow my friend who uses a weight on the wheel DAILY must be defying reality.

I just can’t take these Tesla marketing bots seriously.

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