Tesla vs Mach E

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Interesting read for tech literate.

I remember when that came out. It's completely believable.

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[GoGoGadgetMachE]

As an opinion I believe this is a legitimate concern, but I also believe that it will be interesting to see how Tesla resale holds up now that as others have said there is perceived to be real competition from multiple manufacturers.

 

[SnBGC]

Should be an easy choice.

 

[Jolteon]

As I ponder my first EV purchase and weigh the pros it consistently comes down to software vs hardware. Fords legacy car manufacturing experience should lead to a better constructed car with higher quality fit and finish. On the other hand, Tesla’s lead in software development is not be under estimated. Can Ford put out as polished product on the first go around? Also, the resale value of the Model 3 is compelling. On looks the Mach E wins hands down vs the MY, although the M3 is more attractive than the MY IMHO. Too bad Tesla didn’t make the M3 a hatch.

So I dont particularly care for SUVs at all - but I'm drawn to the looks of the Mach-E.

That said, Mach-E offers (to me):

1. Longer range
2. More dealers
3. Lower insurance

Whereas the Model 3 offers:

1. Lower price
2. Dashcam
3. Sentry Mode
4. Tesla Arcade/Entertainment
5. Streaming audio through the car, not a phone
6. Proven track record of constant OTA improvements (vs promises)
7. Superchargers
8. No haggle, online buying

The looks are what are selling the Mach-E to me... if I go through with my order (still TBD, don't really commute anymore due to WFH, nothing's wrong with the Tesla).

I had zero fit and finish issues with my Model 3. Now that it's 2 years old, I've noticed the airbag cover squeaks on bumpy roads. My prior Fords have all required warranty hardware replacement before 12,000 miles. My 2012 Focus notched up 15 service visits in the first 3 years, including the one time the badge fell off (apparently it was embarrassed too).

The Model 3 has been flawless.

I'd expect the Mach-E will be due to the BEV powertrain not having any of the classic Ford failure modes (crappy transmissions and engines).

 

[Mjtee2]

As I ponder my first EV purchase and weigh the pros it consistently comes down to software vs hardware. Fords legacy car manufacturing experience should lead to a better constructed car with higher quality fit and finish. On the other hand, Tesla’s lead in software development is not be under estimated. Can Ford put out as polished product on the first go around? Also, the resale value of the Model 3 is compelling. On looks the Mach E wins hands down vs the MY, although the M3 is more attractive than the MY IMHO. Too bad Tesla didn’t make the M3 a hatch.

We have owned 3 Tesla’s and we are selling our Model 3 to buy a Mach E. We had to wait 4 years for our first Model S after we put down a $5,000 deposit. Although our order was around # 1,000, we got car # 10,231 because we ordered the least expensive version. Quite a few issues with that car so traded it in on a new Model S with newer tech. That Model S was good but the hardware changed again with Enhanced Auto Pilot so traded for a Model 3 with all the “bells and whistles”.

This Model 3 has the worst paint job of any car I have ever owned with the base coat showing in the door frames and the trunk lid. Also, and most importantly, the AutoPilot is seriously flawed. Many times, our car spontaneously turns on it’s turn signal and heads for the off-ramp while traveling down the freeway. It also slams on the brakes when we are going 60 MPH on the freeway almost resulting in being rear-ended several times. These are only 2 examples of the erratic, dangerous Tesla AutoPilot behavior on our car.

Bottomline. We have grown tired of the fake news coming from Tesla about the capabilities of their vehicles... We are excited about the Mach E and really looking forward to experiencing an EV built with the customer in mind.

 

[mark360]

We have owned 3 Tesla’s and we are selling our Model 3 to buy a Mach E. We had to wait 4 years for our first Model S after we put down a $5,000 deposit. Although our order was around # 1,000, we got car # 10,231 because we ordered the least expensive version. Quite a few issues with that car so traded it in on a new Model S with newer tech. That Model S was good but the hardware changed again with Enhanced Auto Pilot so traded for a Model 3 with all the “bells and whistles”.

This Model 3 has the worst paint job of any car I have ever owned with the base coat showing in the door frames and the trunk lid. Also, and most importantly, the AutoPilot is seriously flawed. Many times, our car spontaneously turns on it’s turn signal and heads for the off-ramp while traveling down the freeway. It also slams on the brakes when we are going 60 MPH on the freeway almost resulting in being rear-ended several times. These are only 2 examples of the erratic, dangerous Tesla AutoPilot behavior on our car.

Bottomline. We have grown tired of the fake news coming from Tesla about the capabilities of their vehicles... We are excited about the Mach E and really looking forward to experiencing an EV built with the customer in mind.

Great post, and I can concur from a Former Model 3 owner as well.

 

[stacienicolej]

great topic for me. my top 2 are the Mod3 and the MachE. just waiting on the MachE to come to dealerships so i can check it out... any word on when they're saying when they'll be available to view in dealership? im sure it varies from dealership to dealership but...

 

[Jolteon]

Same - I can afford my Mach-E because my Model 3 has basically not dropped in value. I somewhat doubt the Mach-E will match that.

 

[Jolteon]

We have owned 3 Tesla’s and we are selling our Model 3 to buy a Mach E. We had to wait 4 years for our first Model S after we put down a $5,000 deposit. Although our order was around # 1,000, we got car # 10,231 because we ordered the least expensive version. Quite a few issues with that car so traded it in on a new Model S with newer tech. That Model S was good but the hardware changed again with Enhanced Auto Pilot so traded for a Model 3 with all the “bells and whistles”.

This Model 3 has the worst paint job of any car I have ever owned with the base coat showing in the door frames and the trunk lid. Also, and most importantly, the AutoPilot is seriously flawed. Many times, our car spontaneously turns on it’s turn signal and heads for the off-ramp while traveling down the freeway. It also slams on the brakes when we are going 60 MPH on the freeway almost resulting in being rear-ended several times. These are only 2 examples of the erratic, dangerous Tesla AutoPilot behavior on our car.

Bottomline. We have grown tired of the fake news coming from Tesla about the capabilities of their vehicles... We are excited about the Mach E and really looking forward to experiencing an EV built with the customer in mind.

Interesting... I don't have (or want) Autopilot on my Model 3, so that behavior I know nothing about, but would be frustrating.

I did not get anywhere near as early as a 10,000 VIN, but my 150,000 VIN has flawless paint quality, for what it's worth.

I'm almost more worried about a "First Edition" Mach-E that I ordered than another Tesla at this point... at least another Model 3 would have the bugs at least known.

 

[timbop]

great topic for me. my top 2 are the Mod3 and the MachE. just waiting on the MachE to come to dealerships so i can check it out... any word on when they're saying when they'll be available to view in dealership? im sure it varies from dealership to dealership but...

End of november at the earliest

 

[trutolife27]

I myself have never owned a tesla. I have test driven Model 3, Model X, and Model Y.

My nephew has owned two teslas and now drives a tesla model 3 which he is selling for his Mache.

Problems he had with his 2018 model 3.

The paint was not as bad as some others. About 4 spots that were like wtf. Mostly on corners.
The major problem he had was.

The charging door sometimes just opening on its own. The rear spoiler was coming off. Bad panel gaps on both rear doors. One was out of spec by 2 inches.

The interior light by the mirror was falling out. Missing plastic panel that covered the seat belt.
The worst thing was the sound in the car never seemed right.
At one of the repair service calls it was determined that one of the door speakers was not even put in.
Took 3 different service calls to fix all the problems. But tesla did fix them.

 

[dbsb3233]

Same - I can afford my Mach-E because my Model 3 has basically not dropped in value. I somewhat doubt the Mach-E will match that.

I'm guessing the Model 3 will drop in value more in the next few years now that it has real competition. Tesla enjoyed a near monopoly up until now. Without a serious alternative to compete with, resale value holds better. But real competition is about to start.

 

[trutolife27]

I'm guessing the Model 3 will drop in value more in the next few years now that it has real competition. Tesla enjoyed a near monopoly up until now. Without a serious alternative to compete with, resale value holds better. But real competition is about to start.

The only thing I will thank tesla for is with out them, the EV push would not have been so fast.

 

[dbsb3233]

The only thing I will thank tesla for is with out them, the EV push would not have been so fast.

I applaud Tesla for their innovation. I'm a big free market guy, so the more competition the better. Companies competing push each other, and the result is better and better products for consumers. While I prefer the Mach-E, I'm glad Tesla will continue to be around to compete.

I'm also glad Ford is continuing to develop ICE and PHEV as well. More choices for consumers is a good thing. It also pushes BEV development to try and match ICE functionality on things like vehicle size and highway range, and shrink the gap on refueling time.

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