Tesla's quality issues continue

[Mrn]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...ard-for-quality-and-repairability-210868.html

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[New2EV]

To me, the decision of MachE vs Tesla come down to one thing.

Did I want a car company learning to integrate technology or a technology company learning to make a car?

Ford's far from perfect, but they've learned a thing or two in the last 100+ years of building cars. (learned some of those lessons multiple times).

 

[ElectrikPony]

I can’t wait until Lexus gets there BEV out.

 

[kennethjk]

To me, the decision of MachE vs Tesla come down to one thing.

Did I want a car company learning to integrate technology or a technology company learning to make a car?

Ford's far from perfect, but they've learned a thing or two in the last 100+ years of building cars. (learned some of those lessons multiple times).

You make a good point in the second paragraph.

But, what have they learned, exactly? They have the most warranty claims in the industry, the most recalls, 25% too many engineers than their competitors, left 2 billion dollars of profit on the table and a culture that may prevent real change.

I am not advocating buying a Tesla but I wouldn’t be advocating for Ford either.

I enjoy the MME overall but wouldn’t let my wife take it on a long trip alone. Not a great sales pitch.

all she needs to see is “drive mode not available” or “12 V battery low voltage” or “stop safely now” or “drivetrain malfunction” and there are more things I can’t think of. I wouldn’t want to be on the other end of that phone call.

 

[voxel]

I can’t wait until Lexus gets there BEV out.

With maybe 200 miles of range.

Hopefully the wheels don't fall off. Or the HV harness doesn't corrode.

 

[New2EV]

You make a good point in the second paragraph.

But, what have they learned, exactly? They have the most warranty claims in the industry, the most recalls, 25% too many engineers than their competitors, left 2 billion dollars of profit on the table and a culture that may prevent real change.

I am not advocating buying a Tesla but I wouldn’t be advocating for Ford either.

I enjoy the MME overall but wouldn’t let my wife take it on a long trip alone. Not a great sales pitch.

all she needs to see is “drive mode not available” or “12 V battery low voltage” or “stop safely now” or “drivetrain malfunction” and there are more things I can’t think of. I wouldn’t want to be on the other end of that phone call.

I agree, I wouldn't want that call either. Like I said, Ford is far from perfect and some lessons they've learned, they forgot and had to learn again... multiple times. But designing and building a car is complicated. Way more than most people realize. Automotive history is littered with startups that don't last...Packard, AMC, Pontiac, Delorean, DeSoto, etc... There's a list a mile long. The fact that Ford is still around after 100+ years, means they've learned things along the way.

I could be completely wrong, but I don't see Tesla around in 10 or 20 years. Once the big automakers are heavily invested in the electric car market (happening as we speak), I'm not sure Tesla survives long term as a standalone company. Plus, they won't be selling their carbon credits to make profit.

 

[kennethjk]

I agree, I wouldn't want that call either. Like I said, Ford is far from perfect and some lessons they've learned, they forgot and had to learn again... multiple times. But designing and building a car is complicated. Way more than most people realize. Automotive history is littered with startups that don't last...Packard, AMC, Pontiac, Delorean, DeSoto, etc... There's a list a mile long. The fact that Ford is still around after 100+ years, means they've learned things along the way.

I could be completely wrong, but I don't see Tesla around in 10 or 20 years. Once the big automakers are heavily invested in the electric car market (happening as we speak), I'm not sure Tesla survives long term as a standalone company. Plus, they won't be selling their carbon credits to make profit.

I agree with you that I am not so sure Tesla will make it long term. If they do, maybe they will continue to be a niche player. They haven’t changed models yet. people will get tired of the same old thing. Let’s see how Tesla handles those changes

all new EVs are having issues. I have read forums for BMW and Porsche EVs. Not a whole lot different than Ford.

hopefully these companies hire the “right” engineers to develop and fine tune their software. For legacy companies the car is the easy part, technology , the hard part.

 

[4sallypat]

My first Ford EV: '22 Lightning has been awesome since day 1.

First EV without a trip to the dealer under warranty, no battery issues, better than EPA range, excellent ride and a daily driver.

Guess I got the lucky build.....

Now if my '23 MME ever arrives, will see....

 

[Mrn]

My October 22 build has been a reliable and satisfying ride, with nothing worse than (sometimes) multiple pushes on the button to open the front door. That issue is becoming scarce now. I'm very happy with the MME.

 

[New2EV]

I agree with you that I am not so sure Tesla will make it long term. If they do, maybe they will continue to be a niche player. They haven’t changed models yet. people will get tired of the same old thing. Let’s see how Tesla handles those changes

all new EVs are having issues. I have read forums for BMW and Porsche EVs. Not a whole lot different than Ford.

hopefully these companies hire the “right” engineers to develop and fine tune their software. For legacy companies the car is the easy part, technology , the hard part.

Yep, there's a learning curve all manufacturers will go through transitioning to EV. How they handle those problems will determine their success.

It's funny to me...I can almost hear the same discussions playing out 120+ years ago when gas cars started replacing horses..... Where are you going to find gas? What if it breaks down on you? I wouldn't take that thing on a long trip. I wouldn't trust my wife by herself with it. Just funny how life repeats itself.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I didn't think so at first, but living with both a Model Y and a MachE, it's now apparent that mechanical deficiencies are much easier to fix than integrating software.

The MachE has a lot going for it, but being more reliable than the MY is not one of them.

 

[SWO]

The gigacastings are a huge issue from a repairability standpoint, in my opinion.

 

[ThatGuyLando]

Ford just needs to work on their software, it kind of sucks. When it does work (turn on car, phone quickly connects, no need to reboot sync during the drive, etc) the car feels amazing ?.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

The gigacastings are a huge issue from a repairability standpoint, in my opinion.

The problem with Tesla is that they use aluminum panels which is really hard and costly to repair.

The word on gigacastings is that if that if the car was hit hard enough to damage the casting, then the car is totaled. No different to when a car frame is damage, the car is usually totaled.

 

[SWO]

Directly from the article:







Several safety specialists and repair experts have anticipated that crashing a vehicle with these cast parts would most certainly imply writing off these cars. Oliver Zipse was even more vocal about that. The BMW CEO said the manufacturing advantages of a massive cast part would not compensate for the higher repair costs. This was the reason the German carmaker would never adopt the same strategy.







The gigacastings exist to make it cheaper and faster for Tesla to build cars. The castings go into the wheel wells.

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