The only thing Tesla has over Mach-E

[Space_Pony]

The thing is people look at all the cars on the road and think that tesla is behind, while other EVs have caught up.

Notice how only one manufacturer has 20% profit even on base models while it is questionable that others are even making money?

Tesla has so many features (more than competitors) and most of them are run off of just 1 infotainment computer, a self driving computer, and single set of 8 cameras.

Ford removed hands free liftgate, while tesla added hands free liftgate free as a software update. No sensor needed

They have a 360 security system, dashcam, accident avoidance systems that most manufacturers will not have for 5+ years

Even a simple feature like chime on green light would require machine learning to detect a green light and insure you are in the correct lane for said light.

Ford has an entire set of 360 cameras used for parking assist only and then they have separate systems for driver assistance, emergency braking, etc. Not cheap at all.

So while people mistakenly think tesla sat on their ass for 10 years, they worked on systems that nobody has and reduced the cost of manufacturing their cars by $1000s

The only thing tesla is "behind" in is charging speed, but I don't think they are interested in changing that as the charging network they have is good enough and the speeds are fast enough.

The only ones who have caught up are the chinese which we may never see here in the US. Some of the chinese self driving systems are also very good

Too bad they couldn't put all of that in a car that looked good. There's always something.

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[tobiasjef]

Too bad they couldn't put all of that in a car that looked good. There's always something.

Model 3 refresh looks good. Model S always looked good.

Model Y/X/Cybertruck are uglier with the model X to me looking the best.

 

[Jimrpa]

Too bad they couldn't put all of that in a car that looked good. There's always something.

Tesla styling is very controversial. Personally, I don’t care for it, even with the updates, but i can see how others might. We also have to remember that there’s a large consumer population that doesn’t really care about appearance (hence Porsche buyers ?)

 

[SonicBlue]

Does Tesla have the same Rube Goldberg engineering to pop the hood in the event of a dead 12v battery? And is the battery as hard to access/replace?

 

[SonicBlue]

Model 3 refresh looks good. Model S always looked good.

Model Y/X/Cybertruck are uglier with the model X to me looking the best.

I don’t know why the X looks so much better than the Y, but it does. The Y is just this androgynous lump of a car.

The X has a similar form, and yet it is the only one that looks good. But it’s too expensive for me in addition to the gullwing mechanical issues.

Some of the Tesla software and the lack of CarPlay is super annoying.

I’m glad I chose my First Edition even though the software obviously isn’t as advanced in some regards.

 

[Jimrpa]

Does Tesla have the same Rube Goldberg engineering to pop the hood in the event of a dead 12v battery? And is the battery as hard to access/replace?

I believe they have some kind of 12V leads in the panel for the tow hook?

 

[Dear_OP]

Teslas does not have 12V problems as other EVs since switching to LiON some years ago.

The Model 3 Highland and S are good looking EVs. Think the new Y looks pleasing now albeit a bit generic with the lightbar.
But as someone said, looks are subjective.

 

[CTZ]

Too bad they couldn't put all of that in a car that looked good. There's always something.

Agreed. Tesla cars look like they were designed by a wind tunnel engineer while the Mach-E looks like it was designed by an actual car designer. The Cybertruck looks like it was designed by one of Musk's children.

 

[tobiasjef]

Does Tesla have the same Rube Goldberg engineering to pop the hood in the event of a dead 12v battery? And is the battery as hard to access/replace?

tesla uses lithium ion. Their battery lasts almost the life of the car (10+ years)

Tesla did this as a step to reduce service intervals (they already have the lowest service intervals of any manufacturer), and the replacement cost is pretty cheap.

Porsche has a lithium ion low voltage but they want $2000 for it to replace

That's the big difference between no dealer and a dealer. No incentive to reduce service intervals with legacy OEMs because they need to make money

you don't need carplay in a tesla and there are options to use carplay if you really want it. They run through the tesla web browser if you want carplay.

Tesla has native integration of texting and calling. They have all the streaming apps you could ever want like apple music, tidal, siriusxm, tunein, slacker, spotify, youtube music, etc.

They have all the video streaming apps you would want like netflix, disney+, hulu, etc. and you can play almost any streaming service from the tesla web browser.

 

[Byrus]

They have all the video streaming apps you would want like netflix, disney+, hulu, etc. and you can play almost any streaming service from the tesla web browser

I don't we have the streaming services but our screen is the wrong orientation. I think videos would be all out of wack

 

[tobiasjef]

Forgot a big one. Tesla has access to the full supercharger network. Other EVs have access to only 57% of stations.

Plenty of v3 and v4 are tesla exclusive and for at minimum a few weeks, every new supercharger is tesla exclusive

There are also tesla exclusive superchargers with lounges but not sure how many

 

[Jimrpa]

Teslas does not have 12V problems as other EVs since switching to LiON some years ago.

why? What is “magical” about a LiIon battery that prevents it from ever draining?

The Model 3 Highland and S are good looking EVs. Think the new Y looks pleasing now albeit a bit generic with the lightbar.
But as someone said, looks are subjective.

Yes, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find Tesla’s styling to be ugly and bland (including the refreshed models) but that’s me.

 

[tobiasjef]

why? What is “magical” about a LiIon battery that prevents it from ever draining?

Yes, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find Tesla’s styling to be ugly and bland (including the refreshed models) but that’s me.

nothing. It's just that it can withstand draining and not dying.

The difference between lithium ion and other types of batteries is the self discharge of a lithium ion is very low. So when the voltage hits a point where it is almost empty, the BMS will not use the battery anymore.

You can get easily 10 years out of a low voltage battery and it's only $300 to replace. i think I saw a ford battery replaced for $360

Another thing is tesla main battery packs are less than $10K to replace whereas ford wants $41K.

Tesla does give refurbs and not new

For that matter almost all tesla parts are fairly cheap. That's what happens when you build millions of these cars

 

[Jimrpa]

nothing. It's just that it can withstand draining and not dying.

The difference between lithium ion and other types of batteries is the self discharge of a lithium ion is very low. So when the voltage hits a point where it is almost empty, the BMS will not use the battery anymore.

You can get easily 10 years out of a low voltage battery and it's only $300 to replace. i think I saw a ford battery replaced for $360

Another thing is tesla main battery packs are less than $10K to replace whereas ford wants $41K.

Tesla does give refurbs and not new

For that matter almost all tesla parts are fairly cheap. That's what happens when you build millions of these cars

So, if the BMS stops using the 12V battery when it dies, how is the BMS powered? Don’t Teslas also have contactors that would have to be engaged to leverage the HVB? If so, how do they power the contactors (and the modules that control them) without power?

 

[TheSteelRider]

So, if the BMS stops using the 12V battery when it dies, how is the BMS powered? Don’t Teslas also have contactors that would have to be engaged to leverage the HVB? If so, how do they power the contactors (and the modules that control them) without power?

He said Tesla is awesome, the cheapest, best, highest quality, most features, never fails, etc. Why don't you just believe? Just believe! All hail!

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