(TX Lemon) Serious Safety Hazard - HVBJB Issue

[Youngalicious]

Does anyone know if the HVBJB Issue would be considered a Serious Safety Hazard aligned with the Texas Lemon Law?

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[Jimrpa]

Does anyone know if the HVBJB Issue would be considered a Serious Safety Hazard aligned with the Texas Lemon Law?

I would assume a Texas lawyer who specializes in automotive manufacturer liability would?

 

[HuntingPudel]

I don't know whether a recalled item would be considered as a basis for any lemon law claim. Consult with an attorney in your state. ?‍?

 

[AKgrampy]

If you have a 2024 I would say no as the recall was for models well before that. I am not saying there are not still failures. Just my opinion and of course talk to an attorney to know for sure.

 

[AliRafiee]

That’s pretty much like: is a car that eats a spark plug randomly without any reason every so often a safety hazard?

I believe lemon law is something different. I don’t have time to ChatGPT it myself.

 

[Youngalicious]

Texas lemon lemon law includes 3 tests, the 30 days test, the 4 days test, the Serious Safety Hazard (2 repairs for a defect that substantially impairs control or poses a risk of fire/explosion ) - you have to pass 1 of these 3 tests.

Right now I don’t pass the first 2 as my car has only technically been in the shop 27 days, & only been repaired 2 times. Although my car has had multiple issues but those won’t count toward lemon. So that’s why I’m curious about the 3rd test & if a HVBJB would fall under it.

These cars are fairly new so there no examples of someone filing lemons on that 3rd test for this car, I’m well aware I can go check with an attorney in Texas & currently in process of doing so - I’ve done a lot of research on it, but just trying to see if anyone else has had similar experience or tried for this 3rd test with the HVBJB issues.

 

[AKgrampy]

Texas lemon lemon law includes 3 tests, the 30 days test, the 4 days test, the Serious Safety Hazard (2 repairs for a defect that substantially impairs control or poses a risk of fire/explosion ) - you have to pass 1 of these 3 tests.

Right now I don’t pass the first 2 as my car has only technically been in the shop 27 days, & only been repaired 2 times. Although my car has had multiple issues but those won’t count toward lemon. So that’s why I’m curious about the 3rd test & if a HVBJB would fall under it.

These cars are fairly new so there no examples of someone filing lemons on that 3rd test for this car, I’m well aware I can go check with an attorney in Texas & currently in process of doing so - I’ve done a lot of research on it, but just trying to see if anyone else has had similar experience or tried for this 3rd test with the HVBJB issues.

Are you having an issue with the HVBJB? I do not recall any fires or explosions reported. Cars did shut down but Ford made software changes to prevent that for the most part and of course has an improved HVBJB since June 2022. That is why I suggest in your case the HVBJB may not apply and why an attorney’s specific knowledge will be needed. I do not recall posting for option 3 for lemon law. Mostly it was due to long lead times for repairs and many times they got buy-backs from Ford. Just my recollection from forum postings over the past 3 years.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I agree with @AKgrampy but would add that the GT got a further improved HVBJB in late November of 2023. ??

Since the late May of 2022 recall, cars have had software that monitored parameters that may indicate a degraded HVBJB and will put the car in a limp mode before power is completely impaired. This software was available to most VINs prior to the recall. According to reports, there have been very few instances of an MME being stranded due to an impending HVBJB failure post-recall. The vehicle can still be driven while the Service Vehicle Soon error is displayed. My own failure in 2023 received an SVS where I was able to drive home and then to a dealer the following Monday morning prior to receiving a Stop Safely Now error (where the car’s power is impaired after it is stopped). ?‍?

 

[GreaseMonkey]

We don’t have enough expertise here to advise you on the specifics of your case. An attorney will be able to tell you right away whether or not you have a case. A minuscule number of cases go to trial. The most likely outcome is to file a complaint in court then promptly settle and share the proceeds with the attorney.

 

[Youngalicious]

@GreaseMonkey Thats the plan, wasn’t looking for legal advice but moreso if anyone else has tried to lemon via this “Serious Hazard test” & tried to clarify that in my second post.. I’ve just been really frustrated with the issues lately, really enjoy this car - but the issues have outpaced the fun & enjoyment.

@AKgrampy / @HuntingPudel got a new ‘24 Mach E GT in July 2024. In Oct got my first HVBJB issue & it needed to be replaced, was told the connectors had essentially burnt up & they replaced it & sent me on my way - on this occurrence I did get the “Stop safely now” prompt & was able to limp my way to the dealership.

The second occurrence was last month, & this time I went from perfectly fine car to parking to attend a show I was driving to, after the show & walking around for 3-4 hours, I come back to a car I can’t even get into & the frunk wouldn’t open when the tow truck driver jumped it through the panel in the front bumper. Long story short, tow truck driver somehow got my car to my home dealership 1.5 hours from breakdown. Assumption was 12v went out, but after replacing, they got the HVBJB issue again & saw the connector/wires were burnt again from over heating which is why it didn’t keep the 12v battery charged when it was parked. So on this occasion, I never got the “stop safely now” until the ford dealership got the car operating again with their jump kit.

Irregardless of what’s posted out there.. either I didn’t get that update in my ‘24 Mach E GT, my car is an outlier(lemon), or there is still HVBJB issues with the 2024 Mach E’s as I had less that 10,000 miles in this car & 2 HVBJB issues.

 

[AKgrampy]

In your case, based on what you have shared, it does sound like you may have an issue. Not sure it is the normal frozen contactor due to over heating which seemed to be the case with most HVCJB’s. However having two failures certainly is an issue an I wish you luck.

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