Where is 6.5?

[mikeinet]

All these update troubles is what makes me think this will be the last big update for this generation of Mach-E. It seems the update process is a minefield. Hopefully the next generation where Ford plans to take over more internal ownership of the software for modules will be a much better experience. I mean I hope this isn't the last BC update they push to us, but wow this is painful to watch and experience.

I want to scream and yell that you're wrong... but as an IT guy - i can't disagree.

Though a reason I want to say "not true" is that ford needs to keep up with the competition... some companies really struggle with OTA (like BMW) but others (like... the T word) are beyond anyone else, so i'm sure that Ford doesn't want it to become a battle point

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[GreaseMonkey]

I want to scream and yell that you're wrong... but as an IT guy - i can't disagree.

Though a reason I want to say "not true" is that ford needs to keep up with the competition... some companies really struggle with OTA (like BMW) but others (like... the T word) are beyond anyone else, so i'm sure that Ford doesn't want it to become a battle point

I watched a State of Charge video about how Rivian did two major updates in one month that changed how the R1S drives. I think the legacies will struggle mightily even on Gen 2. Gen 2 will be the real learning experience for them. Gen 1 is pure pain.

 

[mpshizzle]

All these update troubles is what makes me think this will be the last big update for this generation of Mach-E. It seems the update process is a minefield. Hopefully the next generation where Ford plans to take over more internal ownership of the software for modules will be a much better experience. I mean I hope this isn't the last BC update they push to us, but wow this is painful to watch and experience.

I fear you may be right. If that is the case, I have a hard time justifying a subscription. If we set aside the question of cost (I know that's a hot topic here, but I'm leaving that out for a moment) I feel like if there are no updates, a product cannot be charged on a subscription basis.

I'm ok paying for a subscription if that subscription represents an on going cost. For example a cellular connection to support streaming YouTube or ongoing development and improvements, like Adobe's software.

If Ford does not continue to update blue cruise, that means there's no ongoing cost of maintenance on their side, and we therefore shouldn't be expected to pay them continually. The moment bluecruise ceases to update, it needs to become a fixed one time purchase, rather than a subscription.

 

[RickMachE]

All these update troubles is what makes me think this will be the last big update for this generation of Mach-E. It seems the update process is a minefield. Hopefully the next generation where Ford plans to take over more internal ownership of the software for modules will be a much better experience. I mean I hope this isn't the last BC update they push to us, but wow this is painful to watch and experience.

This kind of stuff makes me laugh. Ford has been late with all major updates for over 2 years. They have yet to not have issues.

They hope to sell subscriptions to services, many of which will require updates. In addition to those updates, they will need to update non-subscription things or the people buying the subscriptions will get rid of the vehicles because they aren't "current".

Top this off with the reality that companies are extending update periods of things like cell phones, and that's the expectation.

Ford isn't stupid. They may be slow, they may trip over themselves trying to update vehicles. To think that they're just going to throw in the towel on updates because of this is ridiculous, IMO.

I've owned Ford vehicles since 1998. I've had vehicles with some type of software since 2013. Ford has been awful at updates all that time in my experience, and my expectation was that they would continue to be awful, but gradually improve. Have they improved? Yes, in 2 years they aren't bricking cars like they did with the initial BlueCruise update at dealers. Yes, they're learning. Is it at a speed that any of us like? No, it's not.

But they're not going to stop.

My guess is that the Mach-E will have a 4-5 year update cycle, then the only updates will be to keep current with update technology, and to fix recall issues.

You heard it here first.

 

[available_username2]

I want to scream and yell that you're wrong... but as an IT guy - i can't disagree.

Though a reason I want to say "not true" is that ford needs to keep up with the competition... some companies really struggle with OTA (like BMW) but others (like... the T word) are beyond anyone else, so i'm sure that Ford doesn't want it to become a battle point

Ah yes there is no way they will live up to Tesla, who famously have a reputation for stellar QC and delivering everything they promise on time working perfectly.

 

[hack-e]

Ford isn't stupid. They may be slow, they may trip over themselves trying to update vehicles. To think that they're just going to throw in the towel on updates because of this is ridiculous, IMO.

I certainly hope you are right. I did think that perhaps this 2nd big BlueCruise OTA roll-out for these first gen OTA cars could work out all the kinks and make it smoother for subsequent roll-outs.

My guess is that the Mach-E will have a 4-5 year update cycle, then the only updates will be to keep current with update technology, and to fix recall issues.

Wouldn't it be awesome if Ford would publicly state they'll provide updates for 5 years, like Google and Apple state up front about their new phones.

 

[Atxsw]

It does seem like either they found some issues again or waiting for the 2021 issue to get fixed. Either way doesnt seem like its coming this week at this point

 

[RickMachE]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Ford would publicly state they'll provide updates for 5 years, like Google and Apple state up front about their new phones.

I believe they will at some point. They can't wait too long, or people will assume. And, they have to make sure it's realistic, and at the same point what people will accept.

Some will always bitch that their car isn't "current", yet have been driving vehicles for years that weren't updated. Now, everyone is more sensitive to / aware of it.

 

[BigMach-E]

Honestly, it would be great if they would just fix the bugs that their software already has/they have introduced through updates. Forget BC 1.3 or any added functionality, I like BC 1.0, it’s not what I would call reliable or good, but it can be useful. I agree that you have to provide meaningful updates to justify a subscription. However, the car changing it’s chime sounds on it’s own, the “drive mode not available” and always resetting the turning off interior alarm sensors attribute are really annoying. Fix that before trying to add “functionality”.

 

[SWO]

My 2019 F150 with 72k miles still gets OTA SYNC (IPMA?) updates.

The folks thinking Ford is going to abandon OTAs for the Mach-E in the near future are OTL (Out To Lunch).

1. OTAs are an important part of the Tesla business model which Ford is trying to emulate.

2. OTAs are a required for Ford's subscription revenue model. BlueCruise uses mapped roads, for example. As roads change, you'll need OTAs. Additionally, there's other subscription services they're investigating.

3. OTAs are a way to reduce trips to the dealer ($$$) for CSPs (see HVAC update) and recalls.

4. All of the above is easier when you have vehicles on the same software baseline.

 

[available_username2]

It does seem like either they found some issues again or waiting for the 2021 issue to get fixed. Either way doesnt seem like its coming this week at this point

what's special about this week?

 

[Atxsw]

what's special about this week?

Nothing except usually if they are rolling out a new series of updates some people in EAP get it Monday/Tuesday of the week.

 

[Deleted member 16048]

Nothing except usually if they are rolling out a new series of updates some people in EAP get it Monday/Tuesday of the week.

Or Fridays, they don't seem to have a very consistent pattern as of late.

 

[azerik]

All these update troubles is what makes me think this will be the last big update for this generation of Mach-E. It seems the update process is a minefield. Hopefully the next generation where Ford plans to take over more internal ownership of the software for modules will be a much better experience. I mean I hope this isn't the last BC update they push to us, but wow this is painful to watch and experience.

Unpossible. Ford has to scramble the radio presets and make it easier for us to receive updates in the future. Again. And randomly futz around with charge curves to piss us off. I don't think we'll be left in the wasteland of unknown module updates until maybe 2 years after the new Gen comes out.

 

[GuliblGuy]

21 job 2 here and no updated since Rad on 8/17/23. And maybe 4.2.5 before that.

all of you can stop complaining, but then again the lack of updates seems to have stabilized my car and nothing has broken since then.

Same, feeling left in the dust, Aug update to 23-PU0110-RAD-PS and nothing since.

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