Why so slow on Level 2?

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To access it's full potential, yes. We don't know yet, but maybe it will be configurable to a variety of circuit ratings just like Ford's Connected Charge Station.
I doubt you can downgrade if you want to use the Lightning to power your house.
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thanks for the info guys. A little disappointing. I thought I read somewhere the MME can charge at 28 miles/hr on a level 2. Is that not true? What if I upgrade the charger? The juicebox is a 40A charger
Yes it can. You would need a 48A EVSE.
 

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Sorry if this has been brought up before.

Have a level 2 charger at home (juice box 40 EV) that we’ve been using for our model 3 and always charges the car around 30-33 miles/hr.

My new MME premium extended only charges at 18-22 miles/hr.

Is this normal?
If it is normal, is this a software or hardware limitation?
When charging it is difficult to talk mph between two cars that have different efficiencies. You need to calculate KW or KWh which is then apples to apples as far as what your charger is suppling. Tesla 75 x %/time and MME 88 x %/time and compare the two of them to see if both are drawing the same energy. Tesla may put up more guesstimate miles on the screen but the speed of the charger may be the same for both. One would think around 88/(9.6 X 0.85) for the MME.
 

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From the spec sheet my charger does 40A @ 9.6 KW. Also I do have a bigger breaker and wires. I had a 50A installed when I got it.
IS there an internal switch or setting in your EVSE that sets the max charge rate? It really looks like it's running at 7.2, minus some overhead.
 

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With my juicebox pro 48amp I get 10%/hour recharge which equates to roughly 9kw/hour. Also I charged to 100% for the first time yesterday and got this
Ford Mustang Mach-E Why so slow on Level 2? 20210604_085313


But after calculating with my 15% left, I was closer to 450km or 280miles with a Prem 4x Ext. All kms highway driven.
 


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You're gonna need a bigger breaker. The charger that comes with the lightning will probably require a 100A circuit.

If we don't move before my Lightning comes, I'm gonna need a bigger box!
It seems like a 48 Amp charger should work fine on a 60 Amp breaker. I am planning out my wiring for when my MME arrives and want to future proof it. I was planning for a 60 Amp circuit for the future while primarily charging with a 240 VAC / 40 Amp non Ford charger. Do I really need to run a 100 Amp circuit? Maybe that is best. The wire just keeps getting thicker...
 

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With my juicebox pro 48amp I get 10%/hour recharge which equates to roughly 9kw/hour. Also I charged to 100% for the first time yesterday and got this
20210604_085313.jpg


But after calculating with my 15% left, I was closer to 450km or 280miles with a Prem 4x Ext. All kms highway driven.
Needs time to learn you? Run it a bit to see if it syncs in. If not there is a reset driving history and try again. I am also mostly highway (all) and it has set in at around 420 Km 265 mi and is speed dependent. Enough during good temps to get to the next charger and then some.
 

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I getting 28 miles per 1hr on my 40amp I guessing with 48amp you will get around 36.
Ford Mustang Mach-E Why so slow on Level 2? DBBDE196-2011-4ADB-94CC-4B52331A59FE
 

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Ford said that if you use their branded charger which is a 48 amp system.
This system will require a 60amp 240V dedicated circuit to get a 48A charge rate.
Unfortunatly you cant pull the full 60A due to code regulations here in the USA that set limits on the amount of amps that you can continuously pull on a branch circuit.



It seems like a 48 Amp charger should work fine on a 60 Amp breaker. I am planning out my wiring for when my MME arrives and want to future proof it. I was planning for a 60 Amp circuit for the future while primarily charging with a 240 VAC / 40 Amp non Ford charger. Do I really need to run a 100 Amp circuit? Maybe that is best. The wire just keeps getting thicker...
For the ford OEM wall charger you will only need a 60amp branch circuit to get the full 48amps but that being said that is just the minimum that the NEC here in the USA specifies there is nothing saying that you cant over spec a circuit to what ever you want. But the limiting factors boil down to what amperage you have available at the service panel and how much extra you want to shell out.
That being said you still may want to put in a 120A circuit to 'future proof' your installation incase your thinking of having 2 BEVs that require a 48amp charger each.
(NEC article 210.19(A)(1)(a) for a more in depth explanation)
 

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You're gonna need a bigger breaker. The charger that comes with the lightning will probably require a 100A circuit.

If we don't move before my Lightning comes, I'm gonna need a bigger box!
If you need a bigger house with a larger electric service panel, that can increase the effective cost of the Lightning a bit...!!!
 

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That being said you still may want to put in a 120A circuit to 'future proof' your installation incase your thinking of having 2 BEVs that require a 48amp charger each.
(NEC article 210.19(A)(1)(a) for a more in depth explanation)
Yup. Before you go much above 50 amp breaker 8ga copper double the circuits if you can. The next family in your house will thank you as well.
 

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It seems like a 48 Amp charger should work fine on a 60 Amp breaker. I am planning out my wiring for when my MME arrives and want to future proof it. I was planning for a 60 Amp circuit for the future while primarily charging with a 240 VAC / 40 Amp non Ford charger. Do I really need to run a 100 Amp circuit? Maybe that is best. The wire just keeps getting thicker...
My electric utility has an EV rate plan but requires a dedicated electric meter for car charging to get it. So I installed a 125 amp electric meter. That was my idea of future proofing since it's enough to charge two EV's (even though I only own one). I had the electrician install two 60 amp circuits with 6-gauge wire (suitable for 48 amp charging). If I had to up-size the EVSE (say, for an F150L) then I already have the meter and service panel that can handle it ... but not the wire gauge. That would have to be upgraded to something beefier.

If you don't have a time-of-use rate plan then it doesn't really matter when you charge. If you DO have a time-of-use plan then you want to make sure you can re-charge your car in the off-peak window (for my electric utility it's a 10 hour window). A 48 amp EVSE can pretty much top-off a Mach-E in about 10 hours even if the battery was so dead that you had to push it into the garage to charge.
 

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Needs time to learn you? Run it a bit to see if it syncs in. If not there is a reset driving history and try again. I am also mostly highway (all) and it has set in at around 420 Km 265 mi and is speed dependent. Enough during good temps to get to the next charger and then some.
I'm going to let the law of averages figure it out but it would be cool if I can somehow get it that high
 
 







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