Range anxiety after two days of driving

[Blinkin]

Do they pump heat around when the battery is cold?

I think there's a clue in the word "coolant"

Yeah that's my point. Heat pumps or analogous tech only does so much. When you're talking about double digits below 0 F you're going to have a bad time in any BEV. There just isn't waste heat in any meaningful quantity. Only deluded Tesla fanboys think otherwise, but unfortunately some of them are making appearances.

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[timbop]

The biggest question is it delivering what it is promised even in adversaries. This is a brand new EV AND new buyers are trying to be cautious . There will be many creases that will eventually need to be ironed out. It atleast should match up with model 3 or Y if not better to be a successful EV.

No electric car with a lithium ion battery will make its "advertised" range in extremely cold weather. Not one.

 

[SteveUk]

And that is an extreme cold example. If this is an issue then your choice of an EV might not be right as the disruption to range is also very extreme.

 

[Teledatageek]

Wrong it does help, not as much but still helps. You can drive 200 miles on a model y before it fully dies in these temps.

I tend to disagree. My LR Y has been at about 160 miles in 30 degree temps. Started at 90% and preheated before departure. Most driving at 70 mph on interstate. Feel like at -10, would be a bit lower.

 

[dbsb3233]

Driving in -1 to -9 (Minnesota) yesterday and seeing pretty identical range estimates. 161 miles at 100%. I expected a hit, but that is pretty dramatic. Use case for MME is generally just around town with a diesel Grand Cherokee for the long hauls, so will just have to learn to live with it.

Yep. Some people are going to realize a new-found respect for ICE vehicles in the cold.

Part of why we'll continue to have one of each in our garage. Best of both that way.

 

[timbop]

I tend to disagree. My LR Y has been at about 160 miles in 30 degree temps. Started at 90% and preheated before departure. Most driving at 70 mph on interstate. Feel like at -10, would be a bit lower.

Careful, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[timbop]

Yep. Some people are going to realize a new-found respect for ICE vehicles in the cold.

Part of why we'll continue to have one of each in our garage. Best of both that way.

For now, that's definitely true. I believe that newer chemistries and form factors (ie solid state) will not have as much of an issue in cold weather. At best we are in the adolescence of BEVs right now; they'll get there over the next decade or 2. The fact that norway has embraced BEVS as much as they have suggests that things aren't as bad as the current level of angst suggests.

 

[Teledatageek]

Yep. Some people are going to realize a new-found respect for ICE vehicles in the cold.

Part of why we'll continue to have one of each in our garage. Best of both that way.

Yup been an eye opener for us for sure. Was thinking previously that an EV truck would be a good idea. Not anymore!

 

[Teledatageek]

Careful, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Missing your point here. But cold range (lack of) has been surprising. So much so that we plan to take the Raptor on any trip over 60 miles in the winter. The Y disappoints in other ways - so much so that we may move to a MME soon.

 

[Mopey]

I'm enjoying this talk on the frigid conditions in the lower 48. We are forecasting -33F the next two nights. Sounds like I'll be lucky to have the range to get to the end of the driveway in my ER (when I get it).

Actually, I'm planning on at least a 50% drop in range - and that is with a heated garage at home and a Grizzl-E EVSE at work. FWIW, at -30 to -50 my ICE vehicle typically loses 1/3 to 1/2 it's normal range - partially from incomplete engine combustion and partially from the need to remote start the car for 10 minutes at work (0 mpg) in order to have the engine put out enough heat to warm the cabin before driving home.

Not boasting, just saying EVs aren't unique for their poor performance in extreme cold. Expect it, plan for it, and don't lose sleep over it.

 

[SnBGC]

Do they pump heat around when the battery is cold?

I think there's a clue in the word "coolant"

Yes they do.

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

I'm enjoying this talk on the frigid conditions in the lower 48. We are forecasting -33F the next two nights. Sounds like I'll be lucky to have the range to get to the end of the driveway in my ER (when I get it).

Actually, I'm planning on at least a 50% drop in range - and that is with a heated garage at home and a Grizzl-E EVSE at work. FWIW, at -30 to -50 my ICE vehicle typically loses 1/3 to 1/2 it's normal range - partially from incomplete engine combustion and partially from the need to remote start the car for 10 minutes at work (0 mpg) in order to have the engine put out enough heat to warm the cabin before driving home.

Not boasting, just saying EVs aren't unique for their poor performance in extreme cold. Expect it, plan for it, and don't lose sleep over it.

Have you thought about just getting a dog sled team?

 

[SteveUk]

Yes they do.

Then it's a heat and cold liquid pump

 

[Mopey]

Have you thought about just getting a dog sled team?

Nope, just like I haven't considered driving my convertible in winter with the roof down. ?

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Minus 13F ? Lower than frezzing? By a lot? Like minus 23c ? How do you live in that?

the key is not to put your tongue on any metal poles.

that's the kind of mistake you only make 12 or 13 times.

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