Anyone tempted to switch to BMW iX3 or Volvo EX 60? If so which one?

[Scottmcll]

This is a very interesting thread, and I had not heard of Slate, which certainly bears watching. But to the point, based solely on what I'm seeing from the two links provided, the top-line stats are impressive, but The Beemer is just to Frugly all around for my taste. The Volvo exterior looks better, but that shrunken small rear access is a turn-off, along with some of the interior style choices. I do not like non-circular steering wheels. I've been driving my new-to-me 23 Premium AWD w/very low miles and am loving almost all of it. But particularly the portrait touch screen with that cool embedded tactile scroll wheel. Now the wide screens other cars look a little cluncky to me. But, if I were to trade up, I'd currently jump to a Rivian.

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[Ep0ny]

On first glance I really liked the interior of the new iX3 and was thinking of making the jump when I upgraded a couple of weeks ago.

The more I looked at the new iX3 I thought the full width "information bar" running across the dash might not be that fun to have in your eyeline all the time? Possibly.

I purchased an ex display Mach-E GT last month for £45k with 25miles on it.
Saved myself about £20k over the BMW in the process and very happy.

Coming from a Premium AWD to a GT, I think I made the right choice. The GT is definitely.....responsive!

 

[Ep0ny]

Well, I pulled the trigger coming back to EV and I’m waiting probably six months since it’s coming from Germany. I ordered the BMW 2026 i4 xdrive M 60 pretty much loaded out.
Doesn’t have a frunk, butI like it does not have the traditional trunk lid. It’s more of a hatchback.

The best colour - congrats!

 

[Jerrytball]

Well, I pulled the trigger coming back to EV and I’m waiting probably six months since it’s coming from Germany. I ordered the BMW 2026 i4 xdrive M 60 pretty much loaded out.
Doesn’t have a frunk, butI like it does not have the traditional trunk lid. It’s more of a hatchback.

Just a couple of little extras I like about this car that I’ve ordered. I mean, you can say that you’ve paid for it in the price of the car. But the one year subscription to Sirius radio it’s nice. So with the Mustang, you buy package 401 a the premium package is thousands of dollars anyways so the package on this was under 2000 which gets you the self driving the automatic parking and I mean you could step out of the car and back the car up without being in the car it can memorize parking spots and back in there each time or drive forward. The touchscreen is very fast. It’s not clunky at all, although it’s not full self driving in my test ride, we went 10 miles on curvey Highway. It changed lanes by itself. I didn’t have to touch the wheel so that was on any road. I was on. When I had my Mustang, I could only use it on I 10 cause I don’t travel being able to do it on other roads is nice. I like the heads up display and the fact that you can display the camera in the middle of the steering wheel driver’s screen. And the dealership has nothing but Starbucks coffee so anytime you wanna come in and get a Starbucks and a doughnut and a free car wash it’s nice. The four year 50,000 mile warranty and the eight year for the battery is nice. And the three-year replace cabin filter windshield wipers at no cost. That’s a basic package comes with the car and the four years of 24 hour roadside assistance.

 

[VegStang]

My wife has had a C40 for a couple years now and I like everything about the car except the software. Compared to the Mach E it's horrible. I'd expect the BMW to be better in that respect, but the Volvo is mostly a solid car.

 

[Jerrytball]

You know a couple of people have talked about the Rivian and One just parked next to me at the commissary on base and I think it was an R1 S that thing I don’t know the cost on that car, but that thing was huge. I mean, that was as big as a regular size suburban.

 

[Steady Eddie]

I just started my 3 year lease, but when its up, if I decide to stay with an EV, I’ll probably look at the iX5, assuming its out by then, and whatever midsize SUV Lucid comes up with. Volvo has a little too much Chinese involvement for my tastes.

Sadly, I’m not sure I agree with you there:
Ford Motor Company CEO Jim Farley revealed he has been driving a Chinese-built Xiomi SU7
EV for several months and did not want to give it up. He imported the EV from Shanghai to Chicago to study it, describing it as "fantastic" and an example of the intense, competitive threat posed by Chinese automakers.
The irrational policies embraced by the current administration have been bad news for US automakers. And now Canada will eliminate tariffs on a limited number of Chinese EVs.

 

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Never the BMW. The company has shown commitment to subscription-based hostage-holding of features.

 

[Jerrytball]

Never the BMW. The company has shown commitment to subscription-based hostage-holding of features.

And Ford isn’t I think I’ve owned so many cars that I can’t agree with you. I’m sorry every manufacturer has subscriptions if I want to pay $99 a month to remotely start my Nissan that’s what I have to pay. I’ll go out and start it myself when I had my electric Mustang. It was connected services to watch YouTube videos, which I didn’t need to blue Cruise, which for me wasn’t worth it at least with the BMW. I’m not paying a subscription for the partial self driving that it does do and the remote start

 

[devmach-e]

And Ford isn’t I think I’ve owned so many cars that I can’t agree with you. I’m sorry every manufacturer has subscriptions if I want to pay $99 a month to remotely start my Nissan that’s what I have to pay. I’ll go out and start it myself when I had my electric Mustang. It was connected services to watch YouTube videos, which I didn’t need to blue Cruise, which for me wasn’t worth it at least with the BMW. I’m not paying a subscription for the partial self driving that it does do and the remote start

There's a huge difference between paying for remote services which requires a cellular modem with an active account, and that of being able to flip a switch to turn on the seat heaters while sitting in the car (no remote access required).

 

[Jerrytball]

There's a huge difference between paying for remote services which requires a cellular modem with an active account, and that of being able to flip a switch to turn on the seat heaters while sitting in the car (no remote access required).

All I know is with my Nissan you have to pay for a subscription to start the car remotely. It’s a fee so that’s a subscription heated seats cost nothing to turn on and off in any car I’ve ever owned and future cars whether it’s modem based or not, if you’re paying for your cell phone, you should not have to be paying for a subscription to watch YouTube on your vehicle like the Mustang was. I’m just going to edit this and attach this whether it’s included in the price of the car or not there’s no additional cost for this.

 

[devmach-e]

All I know is with my Nissan you have to pay for a subscription to start the car remotely. It’s a fee so that’s a subscription heated seats cost nothing to turn on and off in any car I’ve ever owned and future cars whether it’s modem based or not, if you’re paying for your cell phone, you should not have to be paying for a subscription to watch YouTube on your vehicle like the Mustang was

Yes, the Nissan is using a cellular connection to pass the command from your phone to the car to start the car remotely. With that same remote connectivity comes other features that are dependent upon an active cellular connection. That's what you are primarily paying for: the active cellular connection.

The fact that Ford doesn't charge us for it is a minor miracle. Clearly baked into the price of the car. My 2017 Bolt EV came with a 5-year remote connectivity for such things, too. But after a couple of years, GM started making people buy a certain level of OnStar to get what early Bolts had for free. It led to a lot of confusion between owners and the customer service reps in the OnStar call center.

I don't disagree that Ford charging separately for WiFi in the car, but not remote connectivity seems a bit, ummm, dumb. However, the amount of data that is used for remote start, charging status, range status, vehicle tracking, etc, is magnitudes less than what is required to provide YouTube video streaming, especially since it can be used for multiple devices in the car. I refuse to pay for the in-car WiFi as well as the built-in Navigation as it is duplication of services I already own. Luckily, we don't have to have subscribe to those.

 

[Jerrytball]

Yes, the Nissan is using a cellular connection to pass the command from your phone to the car to start the car remotely. With that same remote connectivity comes other features that are dependent upon an active cellular connection. That's what you are primarily paying for: the active cellular connection.

The fact that Ford doesn't charge us for it is a minor miracle. Clearly baked into the price of the car. My 2017 Bolt EV came with a 5-year remote connectivity for such things, too. But after a couple of years, GM started making people buy a certain level of OnStar to get what early Bolts had for free. It led to a lot of confusion between owners and the customer service reps in the OnStar call center.

I don't disagree that Ford charging separately for WiFi in the car, but not remote connectivity seems a bit, ummm, dumb. However, the amount of data that is used for remote start, charging status, range status, vehicle tracking, etc, is magnitudes less than what is required to provide YouTube video streaming, especially since it can be used for multiple devices in the car. I refuse to pay for the in-car WiFi as well as the built-in Navigation as it is duplication of services I already own. Luckily, we don't have to have subscribe to those.

As I posted an edited version, this doesn’t cost me anything

 

[Jerrytball]

Yes, the Nissan is using a cellular connection to pass the command from your phone to the car to start the car remotely. With that same remote connectivity comes other features that are dependent upon an active cellular connection. That's what you are primarily paying for: the active cellular connection.

The fact that Ford doesn't charge us for it is a minor miracle. Clearly baked into the price of the car. My 2017 Bolt EV came with a 5-year remote connectivity for such things, too. But after a couple of years, GM started making people buy a certain level of OnStar to get what early Bolts had for free. It led to a lot of confusion between owners and the customer service reps in the OnStar call center.

I don't disagree that Ford charging separately for WiFi in the car, but not remote connectivity seems a bit, ummm, dumb. However, the amount of data that is used for remote start, charging status, range status, vehicle tracking, etc, is magnitudes less than what is required to provide YouTube video streaming, especially since it can be used for multiple devices in the car. I refuse to pay for the in-car WiFi as well as the built-in Navigation as it is duplication of services I already own. Luckily, we don't have to have subscribe to those.

But thank you for the information now LA is giving my Oklahoma thunder a hard time. I need to get back to the game. Have a good night.

 

[Jerrytball]

Yes, the Nissan is using a cellular connection to pass the command from your phone to the car to start the car remotely. With that same remote connectivity comes other features that are dependent upon an active cellular connection. That's what you are primarily paying for: the active cellular connection.

The fact that Ford doesn't charge us for it is a minor miracle. Clearly baked into the price of the car. My 2017 Bolt EV came with a 5-year remote connectivity for such things, too. But after a couple of years, GM started making people buy a certain level of OnStar to get what early Bolts had for free. It led to a lot of confusion between owners and the customer service reps in the OnStar call center.

I don't disagree that Ford charging separately for WiFi in the car, but not remote connectivity seems a bit, ummm, dumb. However, the amount of data that is used for remote start, charging status, range status, vehicle tracking, etc, is magnitudes less than what is required to provide YouTube video streaming, especially since it can be used for multiple devices in the car. I refuse to pay for the in-car WiFi as well as the built-in Navigation as it is duplication of services I already own. Luckily, we don't have to have subscribe to those.

Oh, I forgot to mention the remote start for my Nissan is on the key fob. It’s an actual button that most key fobs have and you double punch it to start. That you have to pay for once the three month trial is up. Which is tied to the key fob I don’t understand it. I do understand it if it was tied to the Nissan app. Nissan tried to sell me one of their electric cars, but the fact that you can’t wireless Apple CarPlay and you always have to keep the cable plugged in in order for it to communicate with the vehicle and that’s the only USB plug that works for the phone they need to fix that.

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