PAAK is now BRICK :(

[ChasingCoral]

You can test pretty easy just turn off wi-fi and cellular data on your phone and see what works. I had problems booting fordpasss if no wan connection on earlier versions but it appears all works for me with no wi-fi and cellular data (even airplane mode) now. 3.28

While turning these off might provide clues, it is not the same test. The code may have queries to see if wifi or cellular are active and behave accordingly. The only way to really test it is to actually have the car and phone in a location with no signal and stay there for a while. The car &/or phone may have a cache of time-sensitive tokens that will continue to work until all are expired.

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[Shayne]

While turning these off might provide clues, it is not the same test. The code may have queries to see if wifi or cellular are active and behave accordingly. The only way to really test it is to actually have the car and phone in a location with no signal and stay there for a while. The car &/or phone may have a cache of time-sensitive tokens that will continue to work until all are expired.

Possible but earlier it was no go and now it works fine. It would not boot without a data connection for me before. I think for everyones piece of mind this should be put to rest. Lots of places up here with no cell service how long do you think is awhile? If you put it in airplane mode (no wi-fi no data) there is no connection I thought and is basically firewalled. But ya I am not a phone guy. @Mopey could maybe able to test it easily for us .

 

[ChasingCoral]

Possible but earlier it was no go and now it works fine. It would not boot without a data connection for me before. I think for everyones piece of mind this should be put to rest. Lots of places up here with no cell service how long do you think is awhile? If you put it in airplane mode (no wi-fi no data) there is no connection I thought and is basically firewalled. But ya I am not a phone guy. @Mopey could maybe able to test it easily for us .

Airplane mode turns off connections. The phone acts differently than when connections are open but no network connection can be made.

 

[Shayne]

Airplane mode turns off connections. The phone acts differently than when connections are open but no network connection can be made.

It also shows no cell service, no data, no wi-fi. If this was done before it would not work but now works fine. I will try next time I see no cell service but I do not see too much of a difference. How long were you and your better half on your nature walk for with no service before the problem arose?

 

[Jiji]

It also shows no cell service, no data, no wi-fi. If this was done before it would not work but now works fine. I will try next time I see no cell service but I do not see too much of a difference. How long were you and your better half on your nature walk for with no service before the problem arose?

The MME has its own wireless connection, guessing AT&T but don’t know this for sure. Using airplane mode with Bluetooth enabled means the car may still contact Ford even if your phone can’t.

This is a terrible idea. A key, physical or virtual, should operate the vehicle without any outside assistance.

 

[Shayne]

The MME has its own wireless connection, guessing AT&T but don’t know this for sure. Using airplane mode with Bluetooth enabled means the car may still contact Ford even if your phone can’t.

This is a terrible idea. A key, physical or virtual, should operate the vehicle without any outside assistance.

You are saying it connects to at&t thru bluetooth? Agree if you need to connect some place to operate your vehicle it is useless and can never be trusted. I have always carried the fob and spent considerable money for the second. Paak it more of a pita than an asset to date. If it needs to phone home to work that is game over. I was thinking that would obviously be corrected after @ChasingCoral report.

 

[peoples1234]

I am having PAAK issues, when I wasn't before. It started with the 3.28 Ford pass update in the past couple of days. I have had the 1.6 OTA update for several weeks, so the only thing that has changed for me is the FP version.

I also have an iPhone.

 

[ChasingCoral]

It also shows no cell service, no data, no wi-fi. If this was done before it would not work but now works fine. I will try next time I see no cell service but I do not see too much of a difference. How long were you and your better half on your nature walk for with no service before the problem arose?

About an hour each time before this first happened.

 

[blkadr08]

Google to the rescue. Googling the "threads/..." part of the link will find you the "BANNED" site that cannot be mentioned. lol.

Wait…..What?

 

[Jiji]

You are saying it connects to at&t thru bluetooth? Agree if you need to connect some place to operate your vehicle it is useless and can never be trusted. I have always carried the fob and spent considerable money for the second. Paak it more of a pita than an asset to date. If it needs to phone home to work that is game over. I was thinking that would obviously be corrected after @ChasingCoral report.

I don’t know, just guessing since the WiFi hotspot service is offered by AT&T in the US. Since the car has its own cell connection, it is possible my phone can have no service while the car does (or vice versa).

I started a new thread to discuss the PaaK network connections since I am fully baffled by the number of connections the MME makes to my phone.?

 

[skiingj]

On the phone with Ford about getting a second FOB. They are clueless of any PaaK issues. Dealer is researching but has no info on a second FOB.

In regards to the backup password, it is so difficult and time consuming to get it to appear on the screen. Often I have to cycle the car a few times and wait a minute or two for it to appear.

Come on FORD!!! Why is this such a nightmare?

Follow-up to my post. In the end Ford was of no help and the call ended comical and sad.

Customer service agent after speaking with two supervisors said; They are not aware of any PaaK issues, could be a software issue which is NOT under warranty, if I take vehicle to a dealer I will be charged to troubleshoot as it is not under warranty, Ford will not issue a second fob as its not under warranty. What a joke. Going to post of Ford's FB.

 

[Mopey]

... But ya I am not a phone guy. @Mopey could maybe able to test it easily for us .

Network connection or not, here in AK one always plans for the worst - everyone should. -50 is no time to be trying to figure out how get in and start your car.

My "key" order: 1-Fob, 2-Door keypad and backup Sync Start Code, 3-PAAK (I never stay logged into Fordpass. I use it, then log out on the Account page) 4-2nd Fob disassembled in a ziplock baggie in the console, 5-Old disused cell phone with PAAK key enabled kept behind passenger seat.

There a plenty of options for starting the Mach E. If you get stuck somewhere, it is likely your own bad planning. Personally, I put PAAK in the same category as a push button entry with a Rube Goldberg backup instead of a door handle - just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Now, I'm off to Seattle to get the High Voltage battery on MME FE 2 repaired.

 

[bostondan77]

Same happened to me, FOB comes in handy. Check if the car's Bluetooth connectivity is still enabled - it may say it is on but it may not be broadcasting. OTA PowerUp 1.6.0 disabled connectivity in my car even though it said it was still on. You have to turn Connectivity off then back on from the vehicle control screen, then remove the PaaK from inside the car, then from your phone, and then re-pair the phone and re-enable PaaK. I have detailed this in other threads.

My Bluetooth connectivity was turned off when I checked. I turned it on and turned off then on all connectivity options, It seems to be working again but I only tested once. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Shayne]

I don’t know, just guessing since the WiFi hotspot service is offered by AT&T in the US. Since the car has its own cell connection, it is possible my phone can have no service while the car does (or vice versa).

I started a new thread to discuss the PaaK network connections since I am fully baffled by the number of connections the MME makes to my phone.?

So you are thinking bluetooth to car to internet that is possible. Will that connect thru the satellite if it is out of cell range. @ChasingCoral had no phone cell service when it happened to them.

Network connection or not, here in AK one always plans for the worst - everyone should. -50 is no time to be trying to figure out how get in and start your car.

My "key" order: 1-Fob, 2-Door keypad and backup Sync Start Code, 3-PAAK (I never stay logged into Fordpass. I use it, then log out on the Account page) 4-2nd Fob disassembled in a ziplock baggie in the console, 5-Old disused cell phone with PAAK key enabled kept behind passenger seat.

There a plenty of options for starting the Mach E. If you get stuck somewhere, it is likely your own bad planning. Personally, I put PAAK in the same category as a push button entry with a Rube Goldberg backup instead of a door handle - just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Now, I'm off to Seattle to get the High Voltage battery on MME FE 2 repaired.

Thank you sir. You sound just like the guys I go into the bush with and I am the same. You can carry more of a back up when in a vehicle as opposed to on foot/canoe.

The question was have you tried your paak lately (3.28) where there is no phone cell service and did it work?

All the best down south with your MME.2.

Faulty software is not a warranty item?

But if faultily software like the car not maintain itself in extreme temperatures causes hardware damage that is. It can also be classified as a lemon if it does not function as described, implied or reasonably expected.

Another thread ............. your FOB do not leave home without it.

 

[dtbaker61]

That particular “solution” comes from @dtbaker61 on this website iirc. Haven’t found it here, but if he knows where on these forums it’s at perhaps he will link it.

once you have FP successfully installed, and set up your BackupStartCode, you are 'all set' to leave your fob at home in the drawer.

I'm not planning on allowing my phone to update FP on my phone until the battery consumption issues is fixed.... I will continue using the 'force stop' of the app when I am not driving, and start the app back up manually upon approach to drive. This solves both the battery consumption problem and the connectivity on approach.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/workaround-for-paak-issues-on-android.6812/

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