My GT Performance Edition (GTPE) first track launch with videos, timeslip! 0-60 in 4.12s, 1/4 mile in 12.657 @ 100.02 mph

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However, I can see why folks who are wanting the MME GTPE to be a track monster are disappointed so far in the performance information we currently have.

I didn’t expect a track toy, but I did hope for something ‘special’ to replace my FoRS. Kinda got a hunch that this where gen 1 was going to end up, so I cancelled my GTPE when the order banks opened.

I‘m going with either a ‘21 Golf R, or I’m going to stand pat and see how the (very compelling) Kia EV6 GT pans out.

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[Carmel Mach E Auto]

Anyone seen this article from a few days ago? I see reference the top speed of this e-motor spins at 13,800 rpm and gear ratio of 9.05:1. There was reference in this thread thinking this level of RPM could be sufficient to get to the higher 115+ mph.

Interestingly, although the article claims this is from the GT,

The “Mach-E” in the motor’s name isn’t a coincidence – the unit itself comes straight from the Ford Mustang Mach-E GT, the performance variant of FoMoCo’s EV crossover. As such, it’s rated to produce 281 horsepower (210kW) and 317 pound-feet (430Nm) of torque, which is pretty close to what rumors suggested last week.

it's actually the same motor used in all Mach-Es. It's just that the GT has two of them while the other models have only one. However, they obviously don't allow both motors in the GT to output the full 281hp potential (actually, I think the specs claim 290hp in RWD Premium / Route 1).

So, do they simply limit both the front and rear motor to 240hp in the GT (rather than, for example, 280hp in the rear and 200hp in the front)? And if so, does that mean they also limit it to a lower maximum RPM, which would mean a lower potential top speed (assuming similar gearing)?

 

[buzznwood]

I didn’t expect a track toy, but I did hope for something ‘special’ to replace my FoRS. Kinda got a hunch that this where gen 1 was going to end up, so I cancelled my GTPE when the order banks opened.

I‘m going with either a ‘21 Golf R, or I’m going to stand pat and see how the (very compelling) Kia EV6 GT pans out.

In a similar sort of boat, got rid of my mk3 focus rs (major let down) to be replaced with the mach-e GTPE (depends on how the test drive goes when turns up at the dealer), however my use case for it will be mainly for pottering around doing the commute and going to the shops and only went for the GTPE due it it being the only trim offering adaptive suspension so the performance I classed as a bonus. Looking at the posted numbers the 1/4 miles it not much better than a standard mk3 focus rs that requires manual gear changes.

Of course on the road you wont have to faff around worrying about being in the correct gear and on boost, so the mach-e GTPE is going to feel a lot faster. There is probably a lot more potential in the drive train, technically the summation of both motors is well north of 500bhp, so maybe in time the full potential will be released if the existing power level is not battery limited. Overall for a first effort it is within the ball park of what I expected.

 

[Frankie]

Ok, this is just flat out wrong. 1st off, the OP ran a 7.99@87mph 1/8 th mile, your Accord 2.0T can’t even sniff that. It would be lucky to run an 8.99@80mph in all honesty. 2nd, your Accord 2.0T and it’s 10-sp auto can’t even come close to the instant passing acceleration of the MME, GT, 4X or otherwise. I totally agree that a 100mph 1/4 trap is off, and bad, but citing a 2.0T 100mph 1/4 trap doesn’t mean it’s faster or even equal everywhere under that speed, especially in highway passing maneuvers.

lol where did I say it was quicker in the 1/8th? I said it had a higher trap in the 1/4. Which it does. Which means it's likely pulling on the GT past 65 or 70 mph, which is extremely relevant to passing power.

Look at his dragy charts. His GT is falling flat on its face past 60ish MPH. Its "instant passing acceleration" is garbage past 60 or 70 mph.

 

[Frankie]

OPs run overlain with a random (not particularly good, 12.2 second) Model Y Performance run from dragy.

 

[Scooby24]

Just gotta stop racing at 40 mph and hit the flashers and tell them they did a ricer flyby to win.

 

[phidauex]

Anyone seen this article from a few days ago? I see reference the top speed of this e-motor spins at 13,800 rpm and gear ratio of 9.05:1. There was reference in this thread thinking this level of RPM could be sufficient to get to the higher 115+ mph.

This basically confirms what I'd been thinking, the GT and GT-PE have two of the same rear motor that the other models have (along with some different firmware setpoints).

A 245/45-R20 tire has a circumference of about 2.29 meters so...

13,800 RPM / 9.05 = 1524.9 RPM output shaft

1524.9 RPM * 2.29 meters = 3491 meters / minute = 58 meters / second = 130 mph at 13,800 RPM

I'm still looking for a power curve for the Borg Warner iDM module used, but in general the power starts to fall off as you approach the max RPM so you might not hit the max RPMs even without a governor since you might not be making enough power to match the drag. I need to take a closer look at EVModeler's calcs...

 

[silverelan]

Interestingly, although the article claims this is from the GT,



it's actually the same motor used in all Mach-Es. It's just that the GT has two of them while the other models have only one. However, they obviously don't allow both motors in the GT to output the full 281hp potential (actually, I think the specs claim 290hp in RWD Premium / Route 1).

So, do they simply limit both the front and rear motor to 240hp in the GT (rather than, for example, 280hp in the rear and 200hp in the front)? And if so, does that mean they also limit it to a lower maximum RPM, which would mean a lower potential top speed (assuming similar gearing)?

I was suspecting that there are three different motors for the Mach-E from BorgWarner but maybe I am reading too much into it.

The big 210-216kW rear for all models.
The small 50kW front for AWD.
A mystery GT front.

"The iDM is being supplied to power the Mustang Mach-E’s rear-wheel drive and all-wheel-drive configurations. On the all-wheel-drive GT version, BorgWarner is supplying the secondary drive unit to power the front wheels as well."

https://www.borgwarner.com/newsroom...tegrated-drive-module-for-ford-mustang-mach-e

 

[JoeDimwit]

Can I say #NotAMustang yet? ?

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

lol where did I say it was quicker in the 1/8th? I said it had a higher trap in the 1/4. Which it does. Which means it's likely pulling on the GT past 65 or 70 mph, which is extremely relevant to passing power.

Look at his dragy charts. His GT is falling flat on its face past 60ish MPH. Its "instant passing acceleration" is garbage past 60 or 70 mph.

No, it’s not falling on it’s face past 60, it’s falling off hard after the 1/8th mile, after 86-87mph. Do you see the multiple 10.5@95mph 1000ft runs? The problem is the 2 extra seconds it takes to hit 100-101mph. Below those speeds it will eat a 2.0T Alive. I have a Dragy and the OP’s GTPE is quicker than my car in the 1/8th mile even though I trap higher. Also, here’s a 2.0T Sport Dragy run for you from some rando guy:

Is that definitive enough? Compare it to the OP’s Dragy runs. It’s not even within 8 car lengths by the 1/8 mile and 1000 ft traps. His PE didn’t really get slow until the very end for reasons unknown, but a 2.0T ain’t magic enough to beat it past 65-70mph. Maybe a 95 roll ??

 

[sotek2345]

I was suspecting that there are three different motors for the Mach-E from BorgWarner but maybe I am reading too much into it.

The big 210-216kW rear for all models.
The small 50kW front for AWD.
A mystery GT front.

"The iDM is being supplied to power the Mustang Mach-E’s rear-wheel drive and all-wheel-drive configurations. On the all-wheel-drive GT version, BorgWarner is supplying the secondary drive unit to power the front wheels as well."

https://www.borgwarner.com/newsroom...tegrated-drive-module-for-ford-mustang-mach-e

From the Sandy Munroe teardowns, there are different manufacturers for the front and rear motors for the AWD trims (non-GT). BorgWarner only made the rear motor. My read of that comment is that they make the rear motor, which is also the front motor for the GT models.

 

[Frankie]

No, it’s not falling in its face past 60, it’s falling off hard after the 1/8th mile, after 86-87mph. Do you see the multiple 10.5@95mph 1000ft runs? The problem is the 2 extra seconds it takes to hit 100-101mph. Below those speeds it will eat a 2.0T Alive. I have a Dragy and the OP’s GTPE is quicker than my car in the 1/8th mile even though I trap higher. Also, here’s a 2.0T Sport Dragy run for you from some rando guy:

Is that definitive enough? Compare it to the OP’s Dragy runs. It’s not even within 8 car lengths by the 1/8 mile and 1000 ft traps.

I don't care where it is in the 1/8th mile the only person talking about the 1/8th mile is you. I think you need to read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

So the Honda pulls on it past 80 or 85 mph instead of 60 or 70 mph? That's the hill you're gonna die on?

I think maybe you're missing the plot here, the point is that the 100 mph trap is pathetic and a 480 horse 70k dollar Performance Edition Mustang get pulled on by 4 cylinder family sedan ANYWHERE short of the EVs top speed is embarrassing.

 

[Carmel Mach E Auto]

"The iDM is being supplied to power the Mustang Mach-E’s rear-wheel drive and all-wheel-drive configurations. On the all-wheel-drive GT version, BorgWarner is supplying the secondary drive unit to power the front wheels as well."

https://www.borgwarner.com/newsroom...tegrated-drive-module-for-ford-mustang-mach-e

I believe Ford confirmed the GT front and rear motors are the same.

I think final the paragraph in the Borg Warner press release could be more clearly / succinctly worded:

"The iDM is being supplied to power the Mustang Mach-E’s rear wheels in both rear-wheel drive and all-wheel-drive configurations. On the all-wheel-drive GT version, a second iDM unit powers the front wheels as well."

 

[Frankie]

GT Performance Edition Mustangs gonna be gettin dragged in highway rolls by Lincoln Navigators.

 

[silverelan]

I believe Ford confirmed the GT front and rear motors are the same.

I think final the paragraph in the Borg Warner press release could be more clearly / succinctly worded:

"The iDM is being supplied to power the Mustang Mach-E’s rear wheels in both rear-wheel drive and all-wheel-drive configurations. On the all-wheel-drive GT version, a second iDM unit powers the front wheels as well."

At the initial reveal in November 2019, Heiser did an interview saying the GT was going to use the same motor front/rear. It wasn't clear to me if they stuck with that original plan or not.

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