My GT Performance Edition (GTPE) first track launch with videos, timeslip! 0-60 in 4.12s, 1/4 mile in 12.657 @ 100.02 mph

[Jeebus]

Welp, in the end I am canceling my order and I picked up an x3 M yesterday. No, I don't need an SUV that tops out at 174mph like this, but it pulls HARD from 75-110 and I do appreciate that.

Oh and sorry gtpe, you can't touch these seats.

Not a troll post btw, I do hope ford sorts this out. Guess I'm not quite ready for the "electric revolution"

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[t12g]

Welp, in the end I am canceling my order and I picked up an x3 M yesterday. No, I don't need an SUV that tops out at 174mph like this, but it pulls HARD from 75-110 and I do appreciate that.

Oh and sorry gtpe, you can't touch these seats.

Not a troll post btw, I do hope ford sorts this out. Guess I'm not quite ready for the "electric revolution"

Congrats on the x3M! It's too bad that the GTPE launch is becoming a debacle. I'm baffled by the lack of communication so far. As somebody else mentioned earlier in this thread, the silence is deafening.

 

[buzznwood]

My order date kind of puts me in a good position. I cancelled my first order because the dealer wanted to charge fees, but it's still in my app and should be delivered in October. I'm going to be the first one there to test drive it and see what I think.

My current order with a good dealership will be here in november. So Im lucky enough to wait until after the ford media show, drive and see it a month early, hopefully it's fixed by November.

Hopefully we will have had some promising reviews by then, making your decision easy and if quick software fix was the solution, still the longer it takes for reviews the more rampant the speculation.

From the initial Kia EV6 GT marketing they had it in a drag race with a host of performance vehicles so you can see what they are aiming for, so it does makes me wonder what sort of vehicle bench marking where Ford using with the GTPE.

We know that the theoretical combined power of two large motors would be 562hp if we assume the battery has enough juice to provide that, to reach the 480hp power target needs some form of power reduction curve, the posted numbers so far means the GTPE must have a very wonky power reduction curve, maybe whoever did the DCFC charge curve did this one lol, and can't see a problem with it briefly coming out of the blocks like a stallion and then being shipped off to the glue factory by the end.

 

[Carmel Mach E Auto]

Welp, in the end I am canceling my order and I picked up an x3 M yesterday. No, I don't need an SUV that tops out at 174mph like this, but it pulls HARD from 75-110 and I do appreciate that.

Nice ride.

I think that if BMW had been a little more on the ball, they'd have readied an iX4 M50 to complement the i4 M50 "sedan" (hatchback) that's hitting the market in Europe soon and in the US early next year. They do have the iX 50 coming, but that's strange looking (to put it nicely), too big, too expensive and the price/performance simply isn't there. The upcoming M60 model might be quick enough, but it'll be well over $100k.

But for those who don't need an SUV and who may already be looking at vehicles like the Polestar 2 as potential Mach-E GT alternatives, the i4 M50 might be another possibility next year.

 

[Electric Goat]

Welp, in the end I am canceling my order and I picked up an x3 M yesterday. No, I don't need an SUV that tops out at 174mph like this, but it pulls HARD from 75-110 and I do appreciate that.

Oh and sorry gtpe, you can't touch these seats.

Not a troll post btw, I do hope ford sorts this out. Guess I'm not quite ready for the "electric revolution"

LOL @ buying a car in 2021 that burns gas. ICE... propulsion of the poors. ?

 

[ARK]

Welp, in the end I am canceling my order and I picked up an x3 M yesterday. No, I don't need an SUV that tops out at 174mph like this, but it pulls HARD from 75-110 and I do appreciate that.

Oh and sorry gtpe, you can't touch these seats.

Not a troll post btw, I do hope ford sorts this out. Guess I'm not quite ready for the "electric revolution"

That’s a very nice interior, congratulations. It’s too bad Lincoln has no sport focused models and instead goes all in on luxury - I don’t think you’d ever see Ford match that in Ford branded models, even with Platinum trim vehicles.

 

[vakane]

The target for the MMEGTPE was the model
y performance and that vehicle traps low 12s to low mid 12s so that’s where the Mach e will land once it’s all fixed. If not faster.

 

[cloud9]

The target for the MMEGTPE was the model
y performance and that vehicle traps low 12s to low mid 12s so that’s where the Mach e will land once it’s all fixed. If not faster.

They will have to if anyone expects to put it on a road course. A decent driver is going to have exit speeds where you will be completely out of the power band well before the braking zone of the next corner. That is unless Unbridled Extend backs off so much power that you can't exit the corner fast. If it pulled hard to the limiter of 124 it would be fine. At this point it's only an autox option.

 

[blue92lx]

Welp, in the end I am canceling my order and I picked up an x3 M yesterday. No, I don't need an SUV that tops out at 174mph like this, but it pulls HARD from 75-110 and I do appreciate that.

Oh and sorry gtpe, you can't touch these seats.

Not a troll post btw, I do hope ford sorts this out. Guess I'm not quite ready for the "electric revolution"

Super nice man, those seats look amazing. I think the problem for me is that the MME GT hits the top of my budget and checks most categories. It might not be as nice as some other cars, but those cars like your BMW would also cost over $80k with the same features that come on the MME.

Of course the EV part of it jacks up the price too, which is just something that was on my checklist for my next car. You could definitely trade the EV price for a super nice $65-70k ICE car or SUV.

Either way, I don't think you'd regret your BMW, that's for damn sure.

Let's be real, if I could afford an Audi RS6 Avant I think I'd go in that direction lol.

 

[vakane]

Super nice man, those seats look amazing. I think the problem for me is that the MME GT hits the top of my budget and checks most categories. It might not be as nice as some other cars, but those cars like your BMW would also cost over $80k with the same features that come on the MME.

Of course the EV part of it jacks up the price too, which is just something that was on my checklist for my next car. You could definitely trade the EV price for a super nice $65-70k ICE car or SUV.

Either way, I don't think you'd regret your BMW, that's for damn sure.

Let's be real, if I could afford an Audi RS6 Avant I think I'd go in that direction lol.

Also the x3m comp traps low 12s and 4 sec 0-60

when the GT pe is dialed in… it should smoke the bimmer. Hang in there… this car is special and Ford is trying to de-tune it as to not crush the GTs and embarrass the most expensive models.

 

[phil]

Well that all but confirms that they know about the performance issues and are (hopefully) fixing them before they let the media get their hands on the cars.

Ford has been developing this car for six years. Did they really wait until after the first deliveries to think about tuning the performance? There's always hope...

 

[buzznwood]

Also the x3m comp traps low 12s and 4 sec 0-60

when the GT pe is dialed in… it should smoke the bimmer. Hang in there… this car is special and Ford is trying to de-tune it as to not crush the GTs and embarrass the most expensive models.

The C&D test for the x3m competition has a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds with an 11.6 1/4 and a trap speed of 119 mph, the mach-e GTPE has a very long way to go before it smokes the X3M competition.

BMW like a few of the other German manufactures like to the play the sensible game of under promise over deliver when it comes to 0-60 times and give a book value that tends to based on the worst case scenario, it would appear with mach-e GTPE ford did that with the inital range estimates but have failed to do so with the performance ones .

De-tuning against your own models is all well and good, but a sale for Ford is still a sale for Ford regardless that mentality however becomes idiotic when people look at your specs compared to your direct competition and chose them instead.

So far with BEVs manufactures seem to have gone for a few approaches, just sell it on the user benefits of an EV while keeping performance similar to existing ICE models, VW approach with the id.4 for example or adopt the tesla approach where you use the full acceleration potential and hence performance aspect of an electric motor as a selling point, same as Porsche have used with the taycan.

I would class the premium mach-e, i-pace and polstar 2 sitting somewhere inbetween those two approaches. Yet when it comes to the mach-e GT using terms like performance edition they have put themselves firmly into later camp so need to deliver on that front which at present it has not

 

[Mach1E]

The C&D test for the x3m competition has a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds with an 11.6 1/4 and a trap speed of 119 mph, the mach-e GTPE has a very long way to go before it smokes the X3M competition.

BMW like a few of the other German manufactures like to the play the sensible game of under promise over deliver when it comes to 0-60 times and give a book value that tends to based on the worst case scenario, it would appear with mach-e GTPE ford did that with the inital range estimates but have failed to do so with the performance ones .

De-tuning against your own models is all well and good, but a sale for Ford is still a sale for Ford regardless that mentality however becomes idiotic when people look at your specs compared to your direct competition and chose them instead.

So far with BEVs manufactures seem to have gone for a few approaches, just sell it on the user benefits of an EV while keeping performance similar to existing ICE models, VW approach with the id.4 for example or adopt the tesla approach where you use the full acceleration potential and hence performance aspect of an electric motor as a selling point, same as Porsche have used with the taycan.

I would class the premium mach-e, i-pace and polstar 2 sitting somewhere inbetween those two approaches. Yet when it comes to the mach-e GT using terms like performance edition they have put themselves firmly into later camp so need to deliver on that front which at present it has not

Yeah the X3 M is crazy fast. There’s a video out there of it vs a Model Y perf vs a GLC63S. The Mercedes is the fastest, then the Y then the X3 M comp.

But only because the race was at 1300 elevation. At sea level the Y was the slowest (barely).

My expectation and reason I ordered one is so it can play with those three vehicles and with instant response.

If they don’t fix the issue the only saving grace for me is that my wife wants the car if it isn’t fast enough for me.

 

[vakane]

So what’s the issue with EVs? I don’t live in altitude.

they have higher HP and torque and 4wd… so is the issue the one gear approach? Or is it just sheer programming?
On paper the x3ms numbers don’t seem insane for a performance vehicle but 11.5 1/4 is very very nice… how much faster is an m3?

 

[Mach1E]

The target for the MMEGTPE was the model
y performance and that vehicle traps low 12s to low mid 12s so that’s where the Mach e will land once it’s all fixed. If not faster.

It runs high 11s. My hope is the GTPE gets there as well.

I am hopeful, however Ford hasn’t said squat yet.

Step 1: admit you have a problem

Ford has to get to step 1 before I’ll be confident there is a fix.

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