Ho-Hum, Tesla Again, If Anyone Cares

[Carsinmyblood]

Looks like the government is going to ramp up its war on Tesla.

Keeping the public safe from half-baked engineering = war.

Got it.

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[Carsinmyblood]

The solution: Just drive your car responsibly.
You're welcome.

 

[BillPitman]

That is why there are driver management systems. Tesla only recently activated their in-cabin cameras and they do a poor job compared to the infrared eye-tracking that other companies use. Add to that the name of the system and the demos that Tesla still shows one their website that says the driver is only there because of regulatory requirements. That's led many people to believe they can be distracted. I've had many Tesla owners brag about how the car drives itself and how they fool the driver management systems.

I like Elon Musk, he’s an innovator……., however, I believe he might not be considering all the driving habits of some people (read morons) driving Teslas!?
Bill Pitman

 

[Brian707]

Because they disagree with his political reviews, this is the typical way of governments declaring war on their opponents, as you can see, those accidents are not new, they go back to 2018, but in 2018 Musk's political views weren't like today, or at least he wasn't vocal like he is today.

Oh please. Maybe disconnect yourself from Faux News?

 

[Mach1E]

The NHTSA lists their investigations publicly -- all of them. If they were investigating Tesla and hid that fact, then that would be special treatment.

Maybe your issue is really with the media. But they report on Tesla crashes more widely because Tesla is the one claiming their vehicles are way safer and that AutoPilot is 8 times safer. You make bold claims and you are sure to get attention. Then you add Tesla's claim they will have 1 million robotaxis by the end of the year and the media is even more critical. (Oh wait, that was 1 million robotaxis by the end of 2020.)

Well, if there was truly only 1 fatality, it would seems that their systems may be “8 times safer.”

I don’t usually believe Musks outrageous claims, but it’s possible this one is true.

We have 35-40k vehicle deaths per year on the US. And there are a lot of Teslas on the road at this point using autopilot. At least enough to be statistically significant enough to see if it’s “8 times safer.”

Although we don’t know how many cars use autopilot exactly, shouldn’t be too hard to look up data on Tesla highway crashes and deaths and compare to other cars.

 

[RetiredDP]

Because they disagree with his political reviews, this is the typical way of governments declaring war on their opponents, as you can see, those accidents are not new, they go back to 2018, but in 2018 Musk's political views weren't like today, or at least he wasn't vocal like he is today.

People who think that everything revolves around what your political leanings are, are just flat-out wrong. NHTSA is, like it should be, investigating crashes that should not have happened. Claiming that everything is politically-based is just putting your hands over your ears and screaming "I'm not listening-I'm not listening...and you can't make me!"

 

[Mach1E]

People who think that everything revolves around what your political leanings are, are just flat-out wrong. NHTSA is, like it should be, investigating crashes that should not have happened. Claiming that everything is politically-based is just putting your hands over your ears and screaming "I'm not listening-i'm not listening...and you can't make me!"

While the NHTSA should be “a-political,” I don’t think anything with the government is truly.

That said, I don’t think this investigation has anything to do with Musk and his political views.

The news coverage and how he’s portrayed on the other hand…….

 

[KevinS]

We're talking about multi-ton hunks of metal going down roads without human interaction at substantial speeds -- and in proximity to other multi-ton hunks of metal that are most likely controlled by fallible humans. Let them investigate.

 

[newmme]

My biggest issue with BC is how it disengages out of nowhere with no audible warning. Seems like a REALLY unsafe way to do things

I don't think it is isolated to Blur Cruise. Same basic has happened to me several times in the past couple of days. Almost rear ended a chipping trailer being towed behind a box truck. Car accelerated straight for it.

Had serveral right side close calls

There’s nothing I trust about BC. Unless I’m on a straight stretch with few to no cars I’m always on edge because BC does not project any confidence during it’s best behavior. It hugs lines too close. Seemingly follows lines that are not lines. Ping pongs at times.

Be careful what you gripe about. Blue Cruise has some serious safety issues if you read around here. It's just that Tesla was first and in the spotlight, but BC can get in the spot light real quick. All of these ADAS systems require attention. Be safe!

 

[Jonno21]

Interesting take from Ashley Neal who is a UK driving instructor. Note that his Model 3 is not used for driving lessons.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Because they disagree with his political reviews, this is the typical way of governments declaring war on their opponents, as you can see, those accidents are not new, they go back to 2018, but in 2018 Musk's political views weren't like today, or at least he wasn't vocal like he is today.

You have no concern at all over the fact people have died because of failures in this system?

 

[KevinS]

Be careful what you gripe about. Blue Cruise has some serious safety issues if you read around here. It's just that Tesla was first and in the spotlight, but BC can get in the spot light real quick. All of these ADAS systems require attention. Be safe!

I have no problems with every one of these autopilot/driver assist features from various manufacturers receiving scrutiny. I have to share the road with them.

 

[Logal727]

The fact that Elon thought it was OK that autopilot did rolling stops at stop signs is enough evidence for me that Tesla does not care about safety

 

[The Electric Duo]

Well, if there was truly only 1 fatality, it would seems that their systems may be “8 times safer.”

I don’t usually believe Musks outrageous claims, but it’s possible this one is true.

We have 35-40k vehicle deaths per year on the US. And there are a lot of Teslas on the road at this point using autopilot. At least enough to be statistically significant enough to see if it’s “8 times safer.”

Although we don’t know how many cars use autopilot exactly, shouldn’t be too hard to look up data on Tesla highway crashes and deaths and compare to other cars.

And that's why we leave investigations like this to the data analysts and road engineers. The analysis I've seen indicates AutoPilot is only marginally better at best. If you compare AutoPilot to all miles driven by other cars it looks like it is significantly safer. But that is comparing apples to oranges. One consideration is that AutoPilot is used mostly on freeways during longer trips. Those are "safer" miles compared to city streets or even rural roads. Then if you compare Teslas to other cars with similar ADAS systems, it lessens any difference by even more.

 

[newmme]

The fact that Elon thought it was OK that autopilot did rolling stops at stop signs is enough evidence for me that Tesla does not care about safety

I get what you are saying, and agree mostly. However, as more autonomous cars are on the road, do they follow the letter of the law. Common sense says yes, as you suggested. Until we are driving with cars that don't go over the speed limit, perform very slow stop signs, etc.

Again, I think Tesla is ahead and hitting these types of decisions on how a robot car should drive. Drive to the letter of the law, or be more human like and not piss off other drivers. I can see a more dangerous situation where drivers try overtaking robot cars since the are to slow on stopping, etc.

One parting thought, the Tesla rolling stop did have parameters, and depending on what click bait headline a person reads, it might not contain the whole situation.

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