Disappointed with mileage / range claim

[supersenior]

I am rather disappointed with Mileage claim, below is my charging information, normal driving conditions. Select RWD purchased on 8/11/22

Mileage Claim, following is my data, had several charges at 110 V 15 Amps ,Current ODO 1100 miles
9/24/22 83% 190 mile range
10/13/22 89% 198
10/17/22 84% 184
10/30/22 80% 172
11/7/22 100% 212 (Ford Claims 244 miles at 100%)
11/20/22 81% 161 (Garage Temperature 62 F)

Would highly appreciate your comments.

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[ctenidae]

Looks about right to me

 

[RickMachE]

First, Ford doesn't claim anything. They do EPA testing.

Second, no vehicle gets EPA mileage because real world driving conditions don't match labs, and your style, terrain and temperature is differnt than mine.

What charger you use has zero impact on range.

Also - 83% could be 82.46% or 83.44%. That tolerance can account for some of your minor differences, and then temperatures and recent driving.

In reviewing your numbers:

9/24/22 83% 190 mile range - 229 at 100%
10/13/22 89% 198 - 222 at 100%
10/17/22 84% 184 - 219 at 100%
10/30/22 80% 172 - 215 at 100%
11/7/22 100% 212 (Ford Claims 244 miles at 100%) 212 at 100%
11/20/22 81% 161 (Garage Temperature 62 F) - 199 at 100%

all look perfectly fine. Cold weather accounts for the last one - it's not your garage temp alone, it's the temp of the weather, because the car knows that from the systems, and the probe may still show a lower temp until you drive. Plus, if temps were down overnight, it may have reacted to that.

 

[timbop]

read these:

 

[summerlinLV]

I am rather disappointed with Mileage claim, below is my charging information, normal driving conditions. Select RWD purchased on 8/11/22

Mileage Claim, following is my data, had several charges at 110 V 15 Amps ,Current ODO 1100 miles
9/24/22 83% 190 mile range
10/13/22 89% 198
10/17/22 84% 184
10/30/22 80% 172
11/7/22 100% 212 (Ford Claims 244 miles at 100%)
11/20/22 81% 161 (Garage Temperature 62 F)

Would highly appreciate your comments.

The estimated mileage display on the car is just an estimate. I would rather use the % charge remaining to estimate my range. As you drive more, you will get more familiar with the car and your driving that you can estimate the range based on % charge remaining. That is what I used.

 

[Fatty Lumpkin]

It took over 2000 miles of driving before the GOM was even close to accurately estimating the range based on my driving. I was not pleased that I received my AWD extended range with an estimate of 219 at 100%, but after reading the forums and driving those 2000 miles averaging 3.7miles/kwh, my range has consistently been well above the EPA rating.

 

[sockmeister]

Over the years, we've had so many topics identical to this one show up, usually over winter and usually from new owners.
I'm not one to bash those for not knowing, but it really stands to reason that Ford obviously needs to put something very obvious on the dash that indicates to average owners that this is ESTIMATED range... not EPA range.

 

[timbop]

Over the years, we've had so many topics identical to this one show up, usually over winter and usually from new owners.
I'm not one to bash those for not knowing, but it really stands to reason that Ford obviously needs to put something very obvious on the dash that indicates to average owners that this is ESTIMATED range... not EPA range.

I'll stipulate that Ford is generally dead-awful at communicating anything. However, there is a double edged sword here: they are trying to sell a whole new animal to the public, and the public generally just wants to be able to "get in the car and drive it like it's a normal car". People are basically lazy and don't want to have to learn anything new. Ford has done a pretty good job of keeping the HMI as familiar as possible under the circumstances, and they don't want to spook people with a bunch of "new things" that they need to learn.

I will wholeheartedly agree that Ford does need to be upfront about winter range and public charging though.

 

[Vulnox]

Others have covered it well, but unless the range has actually caused you problems, stressing about it isn't worth the energy. It is just an estimate, there is some buffer even when the range number hits 0, just like with a gas vehicle. Also it isn't a guarantee or promise, but an attempt to give an equivalent comparison number between different vehicles, just like MPG on an ICE vehicle.

They should just move to a Miles per kWh claim instead of range claim as the range thing seems to cause so much stress that I bet 99.99999% of these drivers didn't put on their ICE vehicles. My wife had an Escape that had a claimed 30 MPG, but it had a dinky gas tank of something like 12 gallons. If I was going purely by range, then my F-150 at 24 MPG but 30 gallon tank would seem like the superior vehicle by far. But the reality is the Escape is more efficient and will cost less long term. So why do we focus so much on range for EVs? The MME is plenty efficient for its class, charges fast enough if you need it, and chargers aren't that hard to find.

Just drive it and enjoy it. The range will fluctuate based on traffic, temps, your driving habits, etc. It is completely illogical to expect to be guaranteed a certain range when different people drive in different situations. Just think about how it would make sense for person A, who drives on a freeway 95% of the time at 80 MPH to expect 300 miles of range and person B who just drives on empty country roads at 55 MPH should also get 300 miles of range "because the sticker said so". These are two drastically different driving situations, and with an ICE or EV would return drastically different MPG/MPkWH results.

 

[Blue highway]

Over the years, we've had so many topics identical to this one show up, usually over winter and usually from new owners.
I'm not one to bash those for not knowing, but it really stands to reason that Ford obviously needs to put something very obvious on the dash that indicates to average owners that this is ESTIMATED range... not EPA range.

I see it differently, For me the GOM is pretty accurate in terms of how far the car will actually go without over estimating. Contrast this with what Tesla does... the miles available unwinds faster than actual miles driven, especially when its cold. This in my view is much worse.

The issue from my perspective is that the EPA figures are
1) unrealistic because the drive cycle is at slower speeds than most people actually drive
2) done at summer time temperatures which are ideal... hotter or colder is worse.
3) mandated, the manufacturer can not put different figures on the window
4) a lifetime of gasoline experience leads people to believe that highway mileage should be better than city mileage... in hybrids and BEVs its not.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Right, I live in NH and on the coast. Tiny towns. I can literally drive through four towns on a 7-9 mile drive. A "long" drive around here is anything over 15 miles. And even if I do need to go to an urban area, NH's largest city is only 30 miles away and Boston is only 45 miles. Out west I'm sure that is a much, much different story.

 

[mateo]

Unless you are driving in your garage, the temperature of it is fairly irrelevant in terms of efficiency... It will save on electricity for preconditioning on L2, but that's about it. Also, 40 degrees is probably pretty common in WA and colder than EPA estimates (thus range loss from estimate). I'm not trying invalidating your principle concern - 170 miles isn't sufficient for me either in a rural area. Just saying that you need to take the EPA estimate and take maybe 70% for average winter highway driving in WA. So that 300 miles in the KIA EV9 might be 210 (or worse in super cold). If that's not enough you'll be disappointed there too.

I got an extended range battery precisely because of range loss in winter. I'm predicting worst case 50% in winter on highway, so I'll get maybe 135 miles on those days. That's enough to get me one way to any location I typically drive. So it sucks that I'd have to charge to get back home, but it's not the end of the world. 95% of my drives are < 100 miles round trip, so I can live with it.

But I'd definitely trade in the Mach-E for a similar vehicle that can get 500 estimated miles. At that point, I'd have 100% of my day trips covered, and most of my extended trips would be the same 1-stop as an ICE.

In the meantime, for people in your situation, I think plug-in hybrids are the best in terms of a single car that can do anything.

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