Disappointed with mileage / range claim

[DBPNW]

You originally said 160 at 90% charge.

Great point. Good catch.

 

[ca_jon]

I don't know if it's a blame game or, as I stated, a vehicle just not ready for prime time. It's ready for early adopters, but not mass adoption. The primary issue there is going to be range. It doesn't really matter if it's the EPA or ford or my fault. That's really irrelevant. What is not irrelevant is the difference between expectations and reality. I think that is evident by the number of people on this forum that have range issues (regardless of "blame"). And it should be noted that most people on here understand that they are early adopters. What's the difference between early adopters and mass adopters? Early adopters understand that there are some kinks to work out and are generally okay with it. When you have early adopters complaining, you know you have issues that won't be acceptable to the majority of (would be) mass adopters.

As for driving habits, it's not my DD. My wife drives it. She is not aggressive and has not even floored it. That said, she does not use 1pd. Maybe that's part of the issue. She also likes the heat on high.

We make it work mostly because we live on an island, my wife doesn't usually travel too far from home, and when she does, she can take my truck (that sounds like a country song).

A couple of thoughts for your wife....Ford says the heated seats and heated steering wheel use less power than eHeat. She might try that (works for me, the seats get really hot). Take a look at any of your wife's recent trips and you'll see how much energy (potential range) is used for climate control.

Today I drove from San Diego to LA and back - mostly freeway with some in town segments. I did the math and for the 222 mile trip I used 59.6 kWh, or about 85% of my SR battery (nice weather ).

I always use one pedal driving....here are the miles/range I Gained from brake regen on some recent trips (as stated in the "Brake Score" in the FP app):

109 miles, range from regen: 12.7 miles (first leg of today's trip)
10.4 miles, range from regen: 3.4 miles
18.8 miles, range from regen: 4.1 miles

These days, having to actually put my foot on the brake feels so "last century." And knowing I'm using the weight and momentum of the car to actually produce energy is strangely gratifying.

I'm a normal driver - mostly normal speeds, but like to push it on curvy rural roads near where I live. On today's trip I got 3.73 miles/kWh at mostly freeway speeds. Overall since I've owned the car I'm also at 3.7. A quite amazing technical feat of human engineering when you think about it.

Bottom line, your driving habits and use of energy make a huge difference in your range, which is true in every automobile.

Lastly, we're waaay past the early adoption stage for EV tech. That ship sailed a decade ago.....

 

[RickMachE]

That said, once the KIA EV9 comes out, we'll be dumping the MME, which was always the plan as a 3rd row is better suited for us.

Expected range of 300. Basically, no difference. Except 3 rows. Like the expected Explorer EV.

Our Fusion PHEV got 21 electric miles in the summer, 13 in the winter, sometimes 12...

ICE vehicles lose range in winter. Vast majority of American's are too stupid to understand that there is a thing called winter gas that lowers mpg, and cold air lower mpg, and warming up engine loses mpg. ICE vehicles show range based on history, no taking account of temps... My 17mpg summer local mpg becomes 13.5 in winter on my F-150.

One huge problem with many technological advances is that they surpass the ability of people to comprehend, many because they refuse to learn, but also because engineers are too smart as compared to the uneducated masses. A great many won't ever read the manual, and have no problem saying "I have had that for a year and never knew it had that feature!"

EVs will see mass adoption due to forcing them on people. This will happen by car companies not producing ICE vehicles. No other way.

 

[JRSNoVa]

ICE drivers don't pay attention to mileage or range because they don't have to with gas stations everywhere. It wasn't until I had hybrids (05 Prius and 15 Fusion) that I saw how much using heat affected mileage thanks to the prominent display of average mpg.

 

[dtbaker61]

It took over 2000 miles of driving before the GOM was even close to accurately estimating the range based on my driving. I was not pleased that I received my AWD extended range with an estimate of 219 at 100%, but after reading the forums and driving those 2000 miles averaging 3.7miles/kwh, my range has consistently been well above the EPA rating.

exactly....
note that round-trip average consumption WILL be different than one-way trips that can have net elevation change start to finish, and urban stop and go will be different than highway, especially depending what your average speed is. If you use 1-p braking to maximize regen, or not, etc, etc.

My personal average is closer to 3.1 miles/kWhr, and drops a little in colder weather because of cabin heater.

At the end of the day.... how far do you drive in a day? did you finish the day with more than 10% left? If so..... what's the problem?

 

[Jake]

I am rather disappointed with Mileage claim, below is my charging information, normal driving conditions. Select RWD purchased on 8/11/22

Mileage Claim, following is my data, had several charges at 110 V 15 Amps ,Current ODO 1100 miles
9/24/22 83% 190 mile range
10/13/22 89% 198
10/17/22 84% 184
10/30/22 80% 172
11/7/22 100% 212 (Ford Claims 244 miles at 100%)
11/20/22 81% 161 (Garage Temperature 62 F)

Would highly appreciate your comments.

Better to watch your usage. If you can get 3.3 miles per kWh you’re doing really well. 2.5 miles per kWh and below is getting bad, but you have to expect it in colder weather conditions, that’s what they’re factoring in in that estimate. Did they give you heated seats and steering wheel? That can help a lot instead of running the heater. I’m sorry if they cut that option out! It’s really not a luxury item on an EV to be honest… should be standard.

 

[bretrevans1]

I am rather disappointed with Mileage claim, below is my charging information, normal driving conditions. Select RWD purchased on 8/11/22

Mileage Claim, following is my data, had several charges at 110 V 15 Amps ,Current ODO 1100 miles
9/24/22 83% 190 mile range
10/13/22 89% 198
10/17/22 84% 184
10/30/22 80% 172
11/7/22 100% 212 (Ford Claims 244 miles at 100%)
11/20/22 81% 161 (Garage Temperature 62 F)

Would highly appreciate your comments.

I have AWD and the mileage claim was 360km (225 miles) .. I have had my vehicle since April of 2022 and what you are seeing unfortunately is normal. The day I took delivery, the gauge (and here on the Forum they call it a GOM (Guess-O-Meter) was only showing 296km .. 82% of stated range. I'm in Canada and now that we have seen some cold weather -7C or 19F, I have seen 35% (not a typo) range degradation. FordPass app will even show it losing range as it sits in the parking lot during the cold. On a full charge with a 240V 40A charger .. range is stated at 235km.

If I knew then what I know now, I would have opted for the larger battery pack as my wife's commute is 182km round trip .. gets her home, but range anxiety is real thing .. and Canada is only going to get colder in Jan / Feb.

Ford Canada did nothing and I wrote some fabulous letters (I thought) with all kinds of proof from the FordPass app and EV Driving history.

What I did experience is that driving below the 50km left range, the range stays there for 35km .. meaning .. I drove 35km and range never dropped. I'm thinking there is something to the GOM, and that there is a considerable safety net built into the stated range left. I've been as low as 20km to go, just waiting for the car to power down .. and then what ? Well roadside assistance to the nearest Ford Dealership, free charge and the knowledge of how far you can actually go.

I cancelled my reservation on my F150 lighting and purchased a Rivian R1/T, I like how they rate their range of 644+km .. paid for the MaxPack battery option .. waiting till 2024 for that to be delivered now ... good thing is that I will be able to sell it for 20K more than I purchased it due to price increases that have also affected Mach-E pricing.

 

[Jake]

ICE drivers don't pay attention to mileage or range because they don't have to with gas stations everywhere. It wasn't until I had hybrids (05 Prius and 15 Fusion) that I saw how much using heat affected mileage thanks to the prominent display of average mpg.

Exactly! At the post office my vehicle in real world use may only have 60-90 miles total range due to low fuel efficiency. You know how cheap a 100 mile range delivery EV would cost?!? Cheap!

 

[HuntingPudel]

Regarding range, I had a pleasant surprise over the weekend: https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/performance-car-value-reduction.23781/post-553614

I got better Mi/KWh on the uphill leg than the downhill leg, due to temperature.

 

[kltye]

I swear we're living in world here and somehow 10 year olds with no concept of math and science are buying $50k cars. I guess I should have gone into sales...

 

[RickMachE]

I swear we're living in world here and somehow 10 year olds with no concept of math and science are buying $50k cars. I guess I should have gone into sales...

What you're seeing is a view into the reality of the world. In that,

Until such a time as we restrict the ability of people to procreate, there is no end in sight to the stupidity.

Edit - I do want to specifically state that I am not calling ANY ONE PERSON stupid. I am merely responding to your point, stating the reality that some people, once informed of something, still aren't going to ever grasp it / change, etc. I remember reading somewhere online where a person explained all about EVs to someone, and mentioned Tesla, and the woman said "I would never buy a car not made in America"...

 

[Phil-Springs]

The GOM certainly is a source of frustration and unnecessary range anxiety. I'll leave my experience on my first cold weather day ski trip and how the GOM "helped" and didn't "help".

Trip: 280 miles round trip to ski resort about 4000 feet higher than my house. Mostly all highway driving with temps ranging from 13 to 35 degrees F. AWD ER CR 1.

The night before I check the app and do some route planning given that the GOM was predicted with 100% charge, I'd get about 220 miles.

As far as the round trip data is, which eliminates the elevation change, I actually got about 250 miles on that full charge (i did precondition the battery). So the GOM is conservative a bit, but adjust appropriately for temperature. As as far as the actual range, seems about what I expected the car to do. But then again, I understood the issues with the EPA range

Now on to how it caused unnecessary range anxiety. I leave the house predicting to get to the slopes with 42% battery left, which should give me the choice of no less than 3 EA chargers on the way home. Life is good... and the trip up was uneventful.

I get to the resort and I have only 36% with a GOM of 65 miles. Rut Roh.. Now I only have 1 EA charger in range and the other 2 are 60ish miles away. Stress starts to increase, but I head over to that first EA charger and eveything goes smoothly and charge to 80% just to take all the stress away. Now on the way back I have to go up a summit before heading back down to Denver. At the top of the summit I'm down to 71% and thankful that EA charger worked.. .and here is where I get frustrated with the GOM. 50 miles later all down hill, I pass those two other EA chargers with 68% battery. If I replay this if I just left the resort and heading to these charger with 36%, I'd be at the top of the summit with 27%. and at the chargers with around 24%. and if that first EA charger was broken, I'd be at these chargers with more than 20%. So in reality any range stress I felt was completely not needed and only caused by the GOM / Planner lack of elevation data. Now I take note that 1000 ft elevation change up is like 1.5% battery drain the gom doesn't account for. And down hill, can be wildly efficient.

 

[timbop]

I swear we're living in world here and somehow 10 year olds with no concept of math and science are buying $50k cars. I guess I should have gone into sales...

No: they are selling EV's to "mainstream" customers that don't obsess over a forum for a year before buying the car. The problem is that Ford is too afraid to tell people that their winter range will be 25% to 40% lower, but does their very best to highlight how EV's aren't any different than ICE cars.

 

[timbop]

The GOM certainly is a source of frustration and unnecessary range anxiety. I'll leave my experience on my first cold weather day ski trip and how the GOM "helped" and didn't "help".

Trip: 280 miles round trip to ski resort about 4000 feet higher than my house. Mostly all highway driving with temps ranging from 13 to 35 degrees F. AWD ER CR 1.

The night before I check the app and do some route planning given that the GOM was predicted with 100% charge, I'd get about 220 miles.

As far as the round trip data is, which eliminates the elevation change, I actually got about 250 miles on that full charge (i did precondition the battery). So the GOM is conservative a bit, but adjust appropriately for temperature. As as far as the actual range, seems about what I expected the car to do. But then again, I understood the issues with the EPA range

Now on to how it caused unnecessary range anxiety. I leave the house predicting to get to the slopes with 42% battery left, which should give me the choice of no less than 3 EA chargers on the way home. Life is good... and the trip up was uneventful.

I get to the resort and I have only 36% with a GOM of 65 miles. Rut Roh.. Now I only have 1 EA charger in range and the other 2 are 60ish miles away. Stress starts to increase, but I head over to that first EA charger and eveything goes smoothly and charge to 80% just to take all the stress away. Now on the way back I have to go up a summit before heading back down to Denver. At the top of the summit I'm down to 71% and thankful that EA charger worked.. .and here is where I get frustrated with the GOM. 50 miles later all down hill, I pass those two other EA chargers with 68% battery. If I replay this if I just left the resort and heading to these charger with 36%, I'd be at the top of the summit with 27%. and at the chargers with around 24%. and if that first EA charger was broken, I'd be at these chargers with more than 20%. So in reality any range stress I felt was completely not needed and only caused by the GOM / Planner lack of elevation data. Now I take note that 1000 ft elevation change up is like 1.5% battery drain the gom doesn't account for. And down hill, can be wildly efficient.

It's better to have a little anxiety rather than skip getting a charge and being stranded

 

[RickMachE]

The GOM certainly is a source of frustration and unnecessary range anxiety. I'll leave my experience on my first cold weather day ski trip and how the GOM "helped" and didn't "help".

Trip: 280 miles round trip to ski resort about 4000 feet higher than my house. Mostly all highway driving with temps ranging from 13 to 35 degrees F. AWD ER CR 1.

The night before I check the app and do some route planning given that the GOM was predicted with 100% charge, I'd get about 220 miles.

As far as the round trip data is, which eliminates the elevation change, I actually got about 250 miles on that full charge (i did precondition the battery). So the GOM is conservative a bit, but adjust appropriately for temperature. As as far as the actual range, seems about what I expected the car to do. But then again, I understood the issues with the EPA range

Now on to how it caused unnecessary range anxiety. I leave the house predicting to get to the slopes with 42% battery left, which should give me the choice of no less than 3 EA chargers on the way home. Life is good... and the trip up was uneventful.

I get to the resort and I have only 36% with a GOM of 65 miles. Rut Roh.. Now I only have 1 EA charger in range and the other 2 are 60ish miles away. Stress starts to increase, but I head over to that first EA charger and eveything goes smoothly and charge to 80% just to take all the stress away. Now on the way back I have to go up a summit before heading back down to Denver. At the top of the summit I'm down to 71% and thankful that EA charger worked.. .and here is where I get frustrated with the GOM. 50 miles later all down hill, I pass those two other EA chargers with 68% battery. If I replay this if I just left the resort and heading to these charger with 36%, I'd be at the top of the summit with 27%. and at the chargers with around 24%. and if that first EA charger was broken, I'd be at these chargers with more than 20%. So in reality any range stress I felt was completely not needed and only caused by the GOM / Planner lack of elevation data. Now I take note that 1000 ft elevation change up is like 1.5% battery drain the gom doesn't account for. And down hill, can be wildly efficient.

The F-150 Lightning has more "intelligence" built into the GOM. One would expect that to flow to the Mach-E eventually.