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I don't understand your statement.

Why would you get half the PCO ?

Why wouldn't you get the entire PCO if the certificate is already tied to your order ?

I am banking on the full PCO plus the $3980 price drop when mine comes in....
Anybody else think that the full $6k PCO on the premium PLUS the price reduction is wishful thinking?

That makes my AWD premium $42k up front. It would basically be near the '22 price MINUS the price protection amount between the '22 and the '23.

If we get that, I want your letter number recs ASAP.

Serious question for the group, what do people think the price is gonna be?
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Yes, they tried to steal the tax incentive. Now that is gone, have to bring it back down quickly.
How exactly did they "steal" the tax incentive?
 

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You are not living in reality. You seem like the type of person who goes out and pumps-up what some sales/marketing guy writes on a piece of paper.

I was one of those 50k MachEs that got recalled. Do you know the inconvenience/impact it had on my car? Zero. My HVJB had zero problems, and the recall was solved via an OTA update. The was the case for the majority of the 50k that were recalled. Very few actually had to be taken to a dealership.
Tesla fans & shareholders think recall is bad. Either they are brainwashed by Elon's no-recall secret recalls or they are just too much in love with Tesla shares. A recall means there is a fix, and a problem is being addressed. So it's good for the car. (Of course, frequent recalls may have a different meaning. )

Tesla tries to avoid recalls at the buyer's expense. For example, thru software downgrade, Tesla secretly reduced chargng speed and charge capacity of batteries to lower battery fire risk and warranty costs instead of issuing a battery recall as Chevy did for its Bolt. It got so bad many owners could no longer take their Model S for road trips anymore. The owners had to file a class action and fight for years to get any compensation. And even then, they got only peanuts after buying the $100k+ Model S & X cars.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2021/tesla-battery-lawsuit-settlement-reached.shtml
"It is apparent that Tesla’s top priority is not the safety of its customers, but really, itself and its intent to avoid providing warranty battery replacements to rightful customers. Tesla cannot be exonerated from its greed and fraudulent intent, all of which have already harmed, continue to harm, and will continue harming innocent purchasers and consumers nationwide." - Tesla battery lawsuit
"According to the proposed settlement, Tesla will create a settlement fund of $1.5 million, and out of that $410,000 will go to the attorneys who sued, and $1,000 will go to the Tesla owner who filed the lawsuit.

This will leave about $625 for those who owned or leased a Tesla Model S over the relevant time period. The $625 payment will be prorated for those who owned or leased their cars for only part of the relevant period.
There are many other examples. Like when Tesla recalled the same car in China when govt. forced it to, but in US it blamed the Chinese drivers, saying the problem doesn't exist in the US. ;) At Tesla, profit and shareholders (aka Elon) come first. Customers last.

Or how about the yellow screen problem, where Tesla blamed air and sunlight to avoid warranty costs? It sent its meanest lawyers in the arbitraiton calls so the buyers stood no chance. No wonder Tesla's claimed profit margin is so high. if you scam your customers, employees, landlords, vendors and govt, it's boound to happen. :)
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/yellow-screen-force-tesla-to-replace-it.158197/

Warranty repairs is the biggest risk in getting locked in the Tesla world, IMHO. While dealers make money doing warranty work, Tesla loses money. Guess who will be on your side for warranty repairs.
 
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I'm disappointed to see Ford following Tesla and not leading the industry. I ordered my Mach E 9/9/2021. It was delivered 5/13/2022. Ford had no problem raising my price twice before I took delivery. The price at the time it was ordered was not honored as it should have been. The practice of jerking prices continues. It does not show industry leadership nor does it show a customer orientation. One satisfaction is that my price is still lower than current and future pricing. The other is that I really do like the car.
Were you not offered price protection? Or unaware of it?
 

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Ha! At least @ZeApelido is using the same username here as in teslamotorsclub.com. He is a Tesla supporter/fan.
I think a few other members are using different names here and on that other site.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/members/zeapelido.48805/
Lol ban this clown!

His profile location is “the Peninsula, California.”

On google maps that’s a 16 minute drive from……….. Tesla headquarters.

Shocker…….he’s a Tesla employee.

Here’s another forum he’s pushing Tesla stock purchases on;

https://realestateforums.net/t/tesla-s-trillion-dollar-valuation-is-fast-approaching/4411/5841
 
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ugh, now I hate Tesla even more. How many of us who recently picked up are fkin pissed??
I purchased my GT PE on Jan 2nd. I called Ford this afternoon and asked about the refund of funds for it. They knew what I was asking about, but had NO information. I was told to call finance dept at the dealership I purchased the car from. supposedly, thats where the refund or whatever is going to come from. I sure hope they will make all of us whole that purchased the 2023 Mach-E's since Jan 1 2023.
 

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Haha, tons of posts on the investment thread. Not like ZeApelido doesn't have a financial incentive to insult the competition. Such a troll.
Hey I'm out in the wide open. Not secrecy here. I don't work for Tesla. And currently I don't have any investment in TSLA (sold on Friday), although I plan to buy in on the next dip.

Anyone who was into electric cars and their future 5 or more years ago would inevitably be linked with Tesla as they were the only ones really trying.

Ford Mach-E is a good car. I actually like the looks more than the Model Y for sure.

If Mach-E had dependable DC charging and speed, I would recommend it.

However the fact at current prices the Model Y gets you more range and charging benefits is probably the winner for most people, unless you really don't care about the option of long distance driving at all.
 

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The Mach E is a better built car, and this comes from a guy that owns a Model Y. I am actually looking forward to further discounts on the Mach E as I am in the market for a second EV.
 

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Hey I'm out in the wide open. Not secrecy here. I don't work for Tesla. And currently I don't have any investment in TSLA (sold on Friday), although I plan to buy in on the next dip.

Anyone who was into electric cars and their future 5 or more years ago would inevitably be linked with Tesla as they were the only ones really trying.

Ford Mach-E is a good car. I actually like the looks more than the Model Y for sure.

If Mach-E had dependable DC charging and speed, I would recommend it.

However the fact at current prices the Model Y gets you more range and charging benefits is probably the winner for most people, unless you really don't care about the option of long distance driving at all.

I just question your random posts/comments (that warranty thing is wrong I believe) when you haven't really been here that long (literally today) and I would assume, aren't as familiar on the Mach-e. As I state here many times, there are downsides with the Tesla as well. Still no true 360 degree camera, no carplay, no android auto, no buttons to open the glove box, no center screen, I can go on and on. There is the charge network, but I think surveys state like 75% only charge at home. People are buying something that 75% never/rarely use.

I personally don't need the supercharging network and not everyone does so why pay for it? (I have an ICE).

Some of us got our Mach-e for well under $40k so my car was definitely cheaper than a Tesla even at these prices (the MY was like $65k back then?).

Bottom line is not everyone wants a Tesla and Elon hasn't been helping neither.
 

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I purchased my GT PE on Jan 2nd. I called Ford this afternoon and asked about the refund of funds for it. They knew what I was asking about, but had NO information. I was told to call finance dept at the dealership I purchased the car from. supposedly, thats where the refund or whatever is going to come from. I sure hope they will make all of us whole that purchased the 2023 Mach-E's since Jan 1 2023.

I really think they'll need time to figure things out. It's Ford.
 

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Hmm, not enough, if they got the extended range rwd under 55k, I'd order tonight. Otherwise just keep my 21 rwd regular range and wait for Silverado EV.
 

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I'm in the Twin Cities. If you're getting 100 miles on Standard Range you're doing something wrong.
I live in Minnesota, too, and know this to be absolutely not true. My friend owns an MME and drives it to his cabin regularly to go ice fishing with no issue. His experience is in large part why I'm getting one for myself.
What's your range this week with a standard range mme in Minnesota? It's -5°F out. Metro Minneapolis to Duluth is 160 miles. I don't think that a standard range is going to make it December through March without a charge stop. Stopping to charge after just under 2 hours of driving in the winter with a sparse charging network is brutal.
 

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I agree. My friend's cabin is a 2 1/2 hour drive North from the Twin Cities, so saying this is "too far" for the MME to reliably travel in winter is simply misinformation. He does it routinely.
Dude, you don't even own your car yet. Good luck to you driving it any significant distance in the winter. A standard range mme can't even get up to lake vermillion reliability from the twin cities in the winter. There is ONE conveniently located charger on the way and it's only 60kwh....which translates to 45kwh charge speed in the winter.... if you're lucky. If that charger is down then you're SOL.
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