Mach-E EPA Ratings Revealed in Window Sticker!

[Ravensfan1996]

For Extended Range Premium:

Looks like they did hit the 270 mark exactly then for the AWD-EX models. More interested in real world reports after delivery though.

Anyone else notice the prices don’t match up? Premium starts at $47000 and AWD ER batter is $7700. When they dropped the price a month ago did they just up the price of the options?

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[dbsb3233]

So how should I enter the figure into A Better Route Planner? What does the highway figure of 84 MPGe work out to in wh/mi or mi/kWh?

84 is 7% less than 90, so you could use that adjustment. However remember that EPA "highway" is still only an average speed of 48 MPH. So there's that.

I'd just stick with the ABRP defaults for now (since the range is right in the preliminary targets). At least until we see YouTubers showing real-world mileage at high speed.

 

[timbop]

Maybe because in most of videos I've seen they were comparing Mach E with Model Y? And now, when the range is finally out, we suddenly start comparing Ford with a lesser mileage model? I see the Mach E efficiency is a main reason Tesla's community will have a right not to see it as a real competitor, and for quite some time. Why so many of us are trying to close eyes on that fact? I ordered Mach E, btw, also because of the look and because of not being able to tolerate so many Teslas around here . But the look is and will always be subjective, the numbers (range, effectiveness) - are always objective. And yes, I just wanna be an owner of the best EV in the World - that's why I am complaining

As I said just above: the "real world" range that BEVs actually get is frequently very different from the EPA numbers derived from sterile conditions with lots of modeling and some guesswork (like the .7 factor to extrapolate from the 2-cycle to 5-cycle test). They Taycan is a perfect example of how flawed that can be.

In the end the Mach E will likely be less efficient than the Y by 15%-20%, which means that the electricity cost will be that much higher. Of course that electricity cost will also be HALF of what you're paying for your ICE, so I don't really see that as much of a negative. If you want to bitch about something I suggest you move on to DCFC charging speed, although I suspect that we will have a future pleasant surprise there as well.

There is rarely ever one "best" at everything; if you've lived long enough you should know that. You'll have to settle for "pretty damn good at everything" no matter which BEV you buy. If you want to pretend that there's a single criteria to determine "the best" for chest-beating and forum bragging purposes, I suggest you will find faults with whatever you choose after the fact.

 

[dbsb3233]

Anyone else notice the prices don’t match up? Premium starts at $47000 and AWD ER batter is $7700. When they dropped the price a month ago did they just up the price of the options?

They include the $2700 for AWD in the base price. It's really $47,000 Premium base + $2700 AWD + $5000 ER battery + $400 red paint.

The only part that changed a few months ago was the base price (Premium went from $50,000 to $47,000).

 

[DBC]

84 is 7% less than 90, so you could use that adjustment. However remember that EPA "highway" is still only an average speed of 48 MPH. So there's that.

Very hard accelerations and a top speed of 80 MPH isn't remotely the same as a constant 48 MPH. More like a constant 70 MPH. There is that.

 

[DBC]

Well, on the first leg maybe, starting at 100%. In a RWD ER. In good weather.

Nope. For AWD ER in decent weather. Easy enough to derive from the EPA number, and if you've driven BEVs you'd know it was a good approximation. If math challenged or not familiar then a different story.

 

[dbsb3233]

That or they tweaked the buffer size to match the targeted range, knowing that they can always decrease it later as they get more data on battery and performance - EXACTLY as Tesla has done.

The sticker still shows 88 kWh battery, so presumably the buffer wasn't changed.

The original targets were rounded to the nearest 10 (210, 230, 270, 300). Now we're at 211, 231, 270, 302. Just not rounded off anymore, and one of the four just happened to end in zero. In effect, nothing changed.

 

[Maric]

I agree. But then the MachE should be faster than the Y, and it's not.

 

[DBC]

They Taycan is a perfect example of how flawed that can be.

I suspect the very large discrepancy between the EPA and real world range in this case is due to the drive cycles. None of the EPA cycles is constant so the Taycan can't take advantage of its transmission and one motor operation.

My other guess is that Tesla's seemingly consistent over performance on the EPA tests vs. real world has to do with how Tesla has tuned its vehicles. Not cheating a la VW, just having the car operation be tuned for the EPA drive cycles.

 

[dbsb3233]

Very hard accelerations and a top speed of 80 MPH isn't remotely the same as a constant 48 MPH. More like a constant 70 MPH. There is that.

5% of the EPA "highway" test is at 80 MPH. The rest is way slower (averaging 48 MPH overall). Almost no one averages 48 MPH on interstate road trips. And few hard accelerate during them.

The point being, of course, is that the EPA "highway" number is usually very poor as an estimate for most people's interstate road trip driving.

 

[DBC]

I agree. But then the MachE should be faster than the Y, and it's not.

It is if you're faster!

 

[dbsb3233]

Nope. For AWD ER in decent weather. Easy enough to derive from the EPA number, and if you've driven BEVs you'd know it was a good approximation. If math challenged or not familiar then a different story.

Talking down to people you look down your nose at is not a nice look.

If you plan to drive 240+ miles in an AWD ER at interstate speed limits without starting at 100% SOC, and still leave a fair safety buffer when you arrive (~10%), then I'd recommend keeping that emergency assistance # handy.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-range-explained/

 

[JTK44]

Visited the MME at my dealer yesterday.

I agree not an SUV. Not a station wagon - roof slopes too much.

How about a tall hatchback - like the Subaru CrossTrek?

 

[krafty81]

All the naysayers can shut the frunk up!

 

[JamieGeek]

It says "Check back Later".

Yeah that is all it says for me but my build is 12/7.

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