Preparing for Mach-E charging at home - preparation and installing charger

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Just ordered a Chargepoint Home Flex 14-50 plug-in. I like the option to vary charge input and can take the charger with me when we go to our cottage during the summers. Now I just need to get the electrical run at both places. At least I know I will qualify for one 2020 tax rebate.
If you need to use different amperage at the two locations, it may be a bit cumbersome. You would need to remove the charger from the app before you leave and add it when you arrive. Why not just leave chargepoint at home and use mobile charger in the cottage?
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If you need to use different amperage at the two locations, it may be a bit cumbersome. You would need to remove the charger from the app before you leave and add it when you arrive. Why not just leave chargepoint at home and use mobile charger in the cottage?
Hoping to have same amps. When I say summers at the cottage, we basically live there for 3 months, so not sure if the mobile charger would be enough or not. Will find out next summer if the Chargepoint is needed or not. No rush on getting the electrical work done there since I can only claim one deduction.
 

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I ordered a JuiceBox 48 about three weeks ago during what was apparently a website "glitch" as someone in support described it. He said they would be in stock in one to two weeks. Today the website apparently had another "glitch" because it showed that you could place an order implying they were in stock. I contacted him, again, and he said they were still waiting. I contacted support directly and get a return email that says:
"Due to Covid restrictions here in California our manufacturing has been delayed until the end of the year. I can get you a JuiceBox 40 Plug in or Hardwired. We would refund the difference plus $25.00, You can wait for your order to be fulfilled or I can cancel your order."
Since I want to take advantage of the federal rebate I think I'll take advantage of her offer, my question is: hardwired or plug-in. I'm leaning toward plug-in so that in the event the JuiceBox has any kind of problem I can use the plug with the mobile cord that comes with the Mach-E. Anybody want to weigh in here and help me make the choice? Thanks!
I personally ended up choosing plug-in, mostly because it makes the install more modular. If the charger breaks or you want to upgrade to some fancier charger in the future, you can easily replace it without tampering with the wiring. Or it allows for more flexibility if you sell your house for the next buyer. What if they have a *gasp* Tesla? And on top of that, I don't see much added value in the slightly faster charger. In almost all situations, 20-ish miles / hour is more than enough to fill up what I use overnight.
 

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I personally ended up choosing plug-in, mostly because it makes the install more modular. If the charger breaks or you want to upgrade to some fancier charger in the future, you can easily replace it without tampering with the wiring. Or it allows for more flexibility if you sell your house for the next buyer. What if they have a *gasp* Tesla? And on top of that, I don't see much added value in the slightly faster charger. In almost all situations, 20-ish miles / hour is more than enough to fill up what I use overnight.
I like the modular approach as well. Last year, I ended up replacing my first EVSE after 3 months with a WiFi model. Having plugs on them made it a very quick swap versus needing to do much wiring. It also made life easier when I moved this past summer. I did advertise my old house as "electric vehicle ready" but I doubt the new owners will get any use from it as they both drive gas-guzzling SUVs. LOL.
 

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I went thru this same thought process deciding between 48A hardwire and 40A plug in. Ended up convincing myself that the flexibility offered by the plug in offsets the 20% quicker charge capability of the larger charger.
After these last few posts I was set to tell them to send me the plug in version of the JuiceBox 40 but then I realized that raises the GFCI dilemma. The JuiceBox 40 plug in instructions say don't use the GFCI but the Ford mobile charger that comes with the Mach-E recommends it. How are you reconciling that? From what I can find online my area is still under the 2017 NEC so they don't require the GFCI like the 2020 code. I have an electrician coming on Monday to give me an estimate so I guess I'll get his input. This decision shouldn't be this complicated. ?
 


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After these last few posts I was set to tell them to send me the plug in version of the JuiceBox 40 but then I realized that raises the GFCI dilemma. The JuiceBox 40 plug in instructions say don't use the GFCI but the Ford mobile charger that comes with the Mach-E recommends it. How are you reconciling that? From what I can find online my area is still under the 2017 NEC so they don't require the GFCI like the 2020 code. I have an electrician coming on Monday to give me an estimate so I guess I'll get his input. This decision shouldn't be this complicated. ?
I would base it on the intended 'normal' usage. I'm not going to install the GFCI as the Grizzl-E also states not to use a GFCI. If I really need to use the Ford Mobile Charger in an emergency, it would be ok. But if I were going to use the Ford Mobile Charger as the primary means, I would install the GFCI.
 

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After these last few posts I was set to tell them to send me the plug in version of the JuiceBox 40 but then I realized that raises the GFCI dilemma. The JuiceBox 40 plug in instructions say don't use the GFCI but the Ford mobile charger that comes with the Mach-E recommends it. How are you reconciling that? From what I can find online my area is still under the 2017 NEC so they don't require the GFCI like the 2020 code. I have an electrician coming on Monday to give me an estimate so I guess I'll get his input. This decision shouldn't be this complicated. ?
Just wanted to chime in and even though the installation guide for Ford's chargers recommend a GFCI outlet for the mobile charger, the Mach-E owners manual seems to indicate it the mobile charger does have GFCI protection built in.

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Just wanted to chime in and even though the installation guide for Ford's chargers recommend a GFCI outlet for the mobile charger, the Mach-E owners manual seems to indicate it the mobile charger does have GFCI protection built in.

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I think I would just make sure having a GFCI outlet if using the Mobile Charger on to a 120V outlet outside.
 

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I think I would just make sure having a GFCI outlet if using the Mobile Charger on to a 120V outlet outside.
Agreed. The NEC is clear that any and all outdoor outlets need this. The requirement is more vague on garage requirements, except for the NEC 2020 additions specifically to address EV chargers.
 

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After these last few posts I was set to tell them to send me the plug in version of the JuiceBox 40 but then I realized that raises the GFCI dilemma. The JuiceBox 40 plug in instructions say don't use the GFCI but the Ford mobile charger that comes with the Mach-E recommends it. How are you reconciling that? From what I can find online my area is still under the 2017 NEC so they don't require the GFCI like the 2020 code. I have an electrician coming on Monday to give me an estimate so I guess I'll get his input. This decision shouldn't be this complicated. ?
Electrician looked at the evse instructions and didn't use a gfci since it said not to.
 

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Electrician looked at the evse instructions and didn't use a gfci since it said not to.
Was there anything in the instructions that came with it that wasn't on their website? If so, anyway you could post them or send them to me? Curious to see what they say.
 

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Was there anything in the instructions that came with it that wasn't on their website? If so, anyway you could post them or send them to me? Curious to see what they say.
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To all of you with these nice, neat, tight coils of cord: please unwind it all before charging. Operating your EVSE with the unused part of the charging cord tightly coiled increases fire risk in two important ways. You are creating and inductive coil that increases resistance (actually reactance) in the wire. You also eliminate the ability of the wire to shed heat. Big, loose loops are better than tight coils and unwinding it to drop on the floor is even better.
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