Electrify America stations are regularly full now - is EA finally making money?

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Tesla added 84 new chargers in Quartzsite at a new location, so Quartzsite now has 120 super chargers. EA has 4 and Rivian has 6 there.
I’m dreading my trip through Quartzsite next month… Access to NACS adapters can’t come sooner for that site. Last time we were there all three working chargers were stuck at 30k kWh and a dealer was blocking all of the chargers in Blythe
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Why don't you install your own L2 charger at your home. You would have the charger all to yourself and wouldn't have to rely on somebody else. If I didn't have a L2 in my garage, I wouldn't have an EV because it wouldn't be wise financially with the price of DCFC charging going up.
It's not up to me. I live in a high rise building with an idiotic HOA. Like I mentioned in a different post, cost is not a factor here cause it's only $48/ month to charge. It's just not convenient anymore due to a rapid increase in #of EVs with an infrastructure that's not keeping up in big cities.
 

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Was visiting PA about 90 minutes north of Philly this past weekend, and the town had one EA station. One charger was disabled due to maintenance, and the other three were always full with 1-3 cars waiting the two times I checked it. Thankfully there was an EVgo station about 10 minutes away that always had availability.

I pay the $7 to EA every month, but if they're going to always be full then it seems like a waste of money when I still have to charge elsewhere. Even my local EA four charger station is consistently full now. I charge at work for free, but need to hit a local DC station to top up when I take a roadtrip over the weekend. So after getting back yesterday I had to drive an additional 10 minutes to another EA station with 10 chargers that had availability.

Definitely becoming a pain, and will only get worse.
 
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Pretty much always full around any highways in Oregon
 

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I charged in Escondido last week twice. No waiting at all
 


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There were about 15 cars waiting to charge at Fashion Valley mall - San Diego during the past weekend, it's a joke since there are only 3 working chargers, meanwhile, 100 feets away, Tesla had 48 chargers and nearly no line

Somehow experts thinks Musk is dumb! and Toyota is shitty for doubling down on hybrids and plugins ....
 

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I’ve only ever charged a handful of times with Electrify America, but I’ve been keeping my eye on how full the stations get since I got my Mach-E in February 2021. It seems the EA stations are consistently full now, at least in Southern California.

Are people seeing this across the country? In 2021, it was always a ghost town. The most common setup I would see when I would go by a station in 2021 was 0 cars charging. Now, seemingly every location is always full. I know the EA app now shows when all charging locations are taken, but in practice, even this is not fully accurate because many locations say 1 of X spots are open and it’s not true - maybe someone is in the process of coming or going or it’s a bug. If it doesn’t at least say 2 of X spots are free, it usually means full.

Anyway, since my free charging credits are likely to expire in February, I’ve been trying to squeeze in charges at EA whenever I am low and have an opportunity, but all nearby locations are consistently full. Here is what the LA area looked like earlier today and again, it doesn’t even show the true extent of the full locations as many places that say 1/X really have a multi-vehicle line.

The silver lining is I think this must bode well for EA’s survival. What are people seeing across the country?

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I know this past weekend was a long holiday weekend and I had trouble finding a few as well. On the bright side I’ve seen a few being built in the Seattle metropolitan area!
 
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Pretty much always full around any highways in Oregon
In April of this year, I was on a roadtrip in an I-Pace, passing through Bend, OR. On that Sunday afternoon in late April, I was the sole guy charging at the only EA station in Central Oregon.

Compare that to right now where even at 11:40 a.m. on a Monday, the station is showing as full.

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There were about 15 cars waiting to charge at Fashion Valley mall - San Diego during the past weekend, it's a joke since there are only 3 working chargers, meanwhile, 100 feets away, Tesla had 48 chargers and nearly no line
That is why Ford switches to Tesla standard
 

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Can't wait until we have access to Tesla's fast charging adapter. Will be a game changer for sure!!
I'm both excited and discouraged... the V3 Super Charger cables are too short to accommodate a MME when you park as you are supposed to. You end up taking two spaces to reach the plug... During peak times like holiday weekends this is going to be a disaster.

V4s appear to solve this, but there aren't very many of them at the minute and there won't be for a few years.

I think public charging could get worse before it gets better even with access to some Super Chargers.

I am willing to plan ahead for road trips... I am not willing to both plan ahead and wait significantly for a charge. That will push the MME from being a great car with acceptable road trip usability to a great car that stays within it's home bubble.
 

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It's not up to me. I live in a high rise building with an idiotic HOA. Like I mentioned in a different post, cost is not a factor here cause it's only $48/ month to charge. It's just not convenient anymore due to a rapid increase in #of EVs with an infrastructure that's not keeping up in big cities.
My wife and I own a condo that is considering installing a L2 charger. It's in Colorado, and there are a long list of state and local regulations that our association has to be compliant with. I'm not on the board, but am leading the group working toward the decision. Trust me, there are a lot of questions and concerns, the first that needs to be dealt with is can the building electrical supply handle it and who pays the upfront cost.

I would recommend you approach the HOA and ask them how you can help move this along. It may make a big difference.
 

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Somehow experts thinks Musk is dumb! and Toyota is shitty for doubling down on hybrids and plugins ....
Those can both be true AND there can be insufficient infrastructure.

These are transition issues. Blame the free market, blame government. Your call.

One day it'll all be fine. But that day isn't today.
 

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This kind of hits why on busy travel weekends I hate to say it but my wife and I will use our ICE as the charge times are killer. That or Tesla adapter comes out finally. Going to call that vaper ware until I see it.
 

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My wife and I own a condo that is considering installing a L2 charger. It's in Colorado, and there are a long list of state and local regulations that our association has to be compliant with. I'm not on the board, but am leading the group working toward the decision. Trust me, there are a lot of questions and concerns, the first that needs to be dealt with is can the building electrical supply handle it and who pays the upfront cost.

I would recommend you approach the HOA and ask them how you can help move this along. It may make a big difference.
So we've been working it for a while now. My wife is on the board and is a popular member. She has gotten the project approved twice, but a couple of fringe members always find ways to derail it afterwards. The city of Chicago is very supportive: commits to issuing permits within 24 hours, passed a Right to Charge in 2018 that applies to new construction, and is considering expanding it to existing buildings. We have a local electrical company that is reasonable pricewise and has a lot of experience doing commercial and residential installations. We already decided to go with Tesla for Business and install a universal unit (NACS with a built-in J1772 adapter). We are stuck on insurance-related issues, given we want to install the charger in a car washing stall (the only space in the building not owned by a resident). But the HOA doesn't understand that NEMA 3 enclosures are water resistant. We try to assume that the HOA has good intentions, but their actions indicate otherwise. So we'll see what happens.
 

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Those can both be true AND there can be insufficient infrastructure.

These are transition issues. Blame the free market, blame government. Your call.

One day it'll all be fine. But that day isn't today.
Definitely I blame the government. Just one post before yours proves I am right:

... there are a long list of state and local regulations that our association has to be compliant with.
Get rid of the artificial road blocks (such as expensive environmental regulations) and entrepreneurs left and right (pun intended) will be building charging capacity. Oh, well. One can dream.
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