Tesla Supercharger access now stated as February 2024 (by Tesla)

[AZBill]

It wouldn't be hard to update Ford Navigation to only target CCS superchargers. I'm surprised how well Ford Navigation and Charge Assist already works, and I'm looking forward to the additional chargers being listed.

Already set up. I looked at Moab in the Ford trip planner and it includes the Tesla charger with Magic dock.

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[AZBill]

Recently I noticed charging sites listed in Plugshare in Washington, Indiana, and another near Evansville, Indiana, as offering Tesla and CCS charging. When you click on the information buttons, it states that Tesla chargers are just for Tesla cars. No mention is made that CCS charging is available if you use the Tesla app.
Is this normal for Tesla "Magic Dock" chargers? If so, then Tesla needs to clean up their act by clearly stating that you need to use their app to use the CCS "Magic Dock" chargers.

Tesla has clearly stated that, download the Tesla app and you will see the "charge your non-Tesla" page in the app. It has the CCS supported chargers right in their app, but there are very few of them.

 

[dbsb3233]

Recently I noticed charging sites listed in Plugshare in Washington, Indiana, and another near Evansville, Indiana, as offering Tesla and CCS charging. When you click on the information buttons, it states that Tesla chargers are just for Tesla cars. No mention is made that CCS charging is available if you use the Tesla app.
Is this normal for Tesla "Magic Dock" chargers? If so, then Tesla needs to clean up their act by clearly stating that you need to use their app to use the CCS "Magic Dock" chargers.

When you click the information button where? In Plugshare it says MagicDock stations are open to CCS use. Or at least it does for the few I've checked, like Moab...

 

[silverelan]

I am happy to hear this but more overly concerned about how slowly the Mach E chargers compared to other vehicles. I have given up hope on Ford dealerships having chargers to charge while traveling, honestly I am finding that the Charge Point chargers at Hyundai dealerships fit the bill, everyone I have been to have 2-4 Charge point “Hyundai” branded Charge Point chargers fit the bill and charge at ~67kh/hr.

The MME doesn't charge particularly fast, but not for the reason you think.

If you're using a 200 amp limited Chargepoint CPE250, you'll never get more than 77kW and that's only if the station has the chargers in a paired configuration to share power for a single user.

The Magic Dock Superchargers have 350 amp limited adapters which means the MME tops out at about 125kW which is more than enough for what our cars can do. It's TBD if the adapters we get are more robust.

 

[AhardFSU]

I didn't realize any of those Flying J chargers finally opened. Good to hear. While I wouldn't necessarily call 15 months "incredibly fast", the pace from here now that they've gotten going looks like it will be impressive. Helps that they have their own host locations, vs EA having to make arrangements with other hosts. Cuts one of the time-consuming steps out. And having an existing profitable business in place is huge from a financial standpoint.

Can't find a full list, but I did find reference to 5 in the southeast. Plugshare doesn't differentiate them from other EVgo stations.

We still rely 95% on EA and they've enabled 37,000 miles of road trips for us so far, so I can't say they suck. Been mostly great for us. But they've certainly got some issues. And we absolutely need more competition (to EA and Tesla). Glad to see it building, albeit slowly.

The Pilot/Flying J locations appear in the Pilot app as well. You have to change the filters in the app so that it shows the stations with EV charging. If you set the options in the Plugshare app to show stations that are coming soon, you'll see the Flying J/Pilot stations that are in the process of being built/permitted.

I really like that Pilot is adding the charging stations to all of their locations. That's truly a new nationwide charging network with locations near major highways but also stations that are off the beaten path (like the one they recently opened in FL).

 

[AhardFSU]

Surprised that OH let them put this location in given the 50 mile distance between locations that they were using for their calculations. About 10 miles away on the west side of Columbus, OH you have the EA station along with an EvGO station (along with a Tesla Supercharger lot, but that doesn't count). Something is better than nothing I guess, but this location is overpriced and would have been better served at a different spot in the state.

Makes you wonder if/when DCFC locations will start competing on price (and uptime) especially when Tesla stations open up and many drivers would prefer them for their availability and dependability even if it is a few cents more per kWh. I would pay more and route to a Tesla location instead of rolling the dice on a site that may be busy, derated, etc. when you get there.

I know you can check the status on EA's app but I hate the anxiety and frustration on road trips where I'm constantly refreshing the app when I'm 75, 50, 25 miles out from an EA station to see what my odds are of waiting around when I arrive. Hence paying more for availability and reliability than rolling the dice on a location with 4 stalls.

I wish Tesla would have put in bids on Ohio locations for NEVI funding. They did in PA and some other states.

Your point about anxiety is exactly the reason why there's why in my opinion it benefits the EV driver when you have EvGo, EA, Tesla, and Pilot are clustered near each other. It gives the driver multiple options if one station is busy or isn't working properly. I looked on Plugshare a couple of days ago and around the country there are a good number of locations that have chargepoint providers that are all clustered together. Ultimately, that's good for the consumer because it creates competition and it provides more options.

 

[AhardFSU]

I smile every time somebody complains about Mach-E charging, having come here from a Chevy Bolt.

Ford dealers have to buy in if they want to keep selling EV, so they'll have chargers at some point.

Even my tiny rural dealer has two ABB 120 kW DC units.

At some point, you'll have to pay for it, though. The ones here are free but you can see that the dealer's going to have them on the EVConnect network at some point soon.

Good point. I saw a number of DC EvConnect at various Ford dealers and other car manufacturer dealerships all over Plugshare. Some of those where in locations such as MS where there weren't any CCS connections or even Tesla superchargers.

 

[dbsb3233]

Your point about anxiety is exactly the reason why there's why in my opinion it benefits the EV driver when you have EvGo, EA, Tesla, and Pilot are clustered near each other. It gives the driver multiple options if one station is busy or isn't working properly. I looked on Plugshare a couple of days ago and around the country there are a good number of locations that have chargepoint providers that are all clustered together. Ultimately, that's good for the consumer because it creates competition and it provides more options.

There's a case for both: multiple stations in close proximity (for backup and competition), but also stations at shorter spacing than 50 miles on travel routes. Bottom line of course is that we just want a lot more DCFC stations period, anywhere and everywhere. But like with anything, that's often not practical, and above all - financially viable.

Between the two options, I think single stations every 25 miles is a bit more valuable than a close pair of stations every 50 miles. Closing the gaps provides more safety, and allows people to go further on a charge knowing the next station is only 25 miles rather than 50 (or 100 like some are now).

But practicality gets in the way of these "every x miles" plans, as many routes don't even have power infrastructure at those points. Let alone other amenities that make for a good DCFC host. In those cases (like say, Green River UT), having two CCS stations there is the next best thing. One way or the other, we need a backup station that's not 100 miles away.

 

[silverelan]

I didn't realize any of those Flying J chargers finally opened. Good to hear. While I wouldn't necessarily call 15 months "incredibly fast", the pace from here now that they've gotten going looks like it will be impressive. Helps that they have their own host locations, vs EA having to make arrangements with other hosts. Cuts one of the time-consuming steps out. And having an existing profitable business in place is huge from a financial standpoint.

Can't find a full list, but I did find reference to 5 in the southeast. Plugshare doesn't differentiate them from other EVgo stations.

We still rely 95% on EA and they've enabled 37,000 miles of road trips for us so far, so I can't say they suck. Been mostly great for us. But they've certainly got some issues. And we absolutely need more competition (to EA and Tesla). Glad to see it building, albeit slowly.

much like Tesla V3s, you’ll want to up the power filter slider to beyond 150kW to narrow down the list of EVgo stations. You can further see the Pilots under active construction by selecting Coming Soon and seeing if there’s an EVgo logo on the site.

Green River, UT needs an alternative to EA in a bad way. I don’t know if there’s any plans for any new CCS out there or nearby? There’s been some speculation that Tesla is doing some hardware upgrades on V2s to allow compatibility with CCS but no confirmation that’s truly the case (I’ve now read two separate posts where a Tesla owner was talking to a maintenance tech at a station about some cabinet work going on). If true, that would make V2s a lot more relevant to us.

 

[Billyk24]

Surprised that OH let them put this location in given the 50 mile distance between locations that they were using for their calculations. About 10 miles away on the west side of Columbus, OH you have the EA station along with an EvGO station (along with a Tesla Supercharger lot, but that doesn't count). Something is better than nothing I guess, but this location is overpriced and would have been better served at a different spot in the state.

Makes you wonder if/when DCFC locations will start competing on price (and uptime) especially when Tesla stations open up and many drivers would prefer them for their availability and dependability even if it is a few cents more per kWh. I would pay more and route to a Tesla location instead of rolling the dice on a site that may be busy, derated, etc. when you get there.

I know you can check the status on EA's app but I hate the anxiety and frustration on road trips where I'm constantly refreshing the app when I'm 75, 50, 25 miles out from an EA station to see what my odds are of waiting around when I arrive. Hence paying more for availability and reliability than rolling the dice on a location with 4 stalls.

I wish Tesla would have put in bids on Ohio locations for NEVI funding. They did in PA and some other states.

Tesla has multiiple locations on the Ohio Turnpike. EA has two.

 

[Glen Boise]

When you click the information button where? In Plugshare it says MagicDock stations are open to CCS use. Or at least it does for the few I've checked, like Moab...

Where does it say that CCS customers need the Tesla app? Too many times we see, not just Tesla, people assuming because they and their followers know what is going on, that everybody knows.
We see the same problem with all the new owners with 2 or 3 years of "free charging" hogging the chargers to charge to 100%. Not understanding that electrons do not flow as easily as gasoline. Besides they may reduce the life of their battery by continually charging to 100%. They have not done their homework when they bought that latest "fade" in automobiles of buying that BEV.

 

[Glen Boise]

much like Tesla V3s, you’ll want to up the power filter slider to beyond 150kW to narrow down the list of EVgo stations. You can further see the Pilots under active construction by selecting Coming Soon and seeing if there’s an EVgo logo on the site.

Green River, UT needs an alternative to EA in a bad way. I don’t know if there’s any plans for any new CCS out there or nearby? There’s been some speculation that Tesla is doing some hardware upgrades on V2s to allow compatibility with CCS but no confirmation that’s truly the case (I’ve now read two separate posts where a Tesla owner was talking to a maintenance tech at a station about some cabinet work going on). If true, that would make V2s a lot more relevant to us.

Have you checked the "Coming Soon" button among the PlugShare filter buttons? It may answer your question.
I found it revealing for Indiana. Indiana Dept. of Environmental Management administers the States share of the VW diesel gate funds. They have contracted with a consortium of state electric utilities to install chargers at various locations around the state. These are starting to come online now. Also, the GM Ultium chargers at various truck stops are starting to be announced. Other companies are also announcing their new chargers.

 

[Space_Pony]

Where does it say that CCS customers need the Tesla app? Too many times we see, not just Tesla, people assuming because they and their followers know what is going on, that everybody knows.
We see the same problem with all the new owners with 2 or 3 years of "free charging" hogging the chargers to charge to 100%. Not understanding that electrons do not flow as easily as gasoline. Besides they may reduce the life of their battery by continually charging to 100%. They have not done their homework when they bought that latest "fade" in automobiles of buying that BEV.

If you want to know the price, your going to need the Tesla app anyway since Plugshare doesn't list the prices of Tesla stations.

 

[Billyk24]

Example: Green Bay, Wisconsin has zero CCS DCFC chargers today. 16 months ago, EA broke ground for a six stall 350kW charger installation at one of the local Meijer stores which features Tesla Superchargers across the parking lot. As of today, EA has not energized the location yet. Worse, potential customers have dug into this situation by contacting local politicians, the local power company, Meijer and EA. EA's statements on this location do not match what the local's are stating. The local power company WPS is aware of the situation and states we are ready but EA continues to push back the opening. There may be a serious issue with the private contractors working for EA with their work and/or lying about the situation. I can't image Tesla putting up with these private contractors.

The local power company stated yesterday the site is energized now. EA has to open it but......EA TELEPHONE called one person and stated it will open sometime in January. I cant believe Tesla eould put up with mess.

 

[dbsb3233]

Where does it say that CCS customers need the Tesla app? Too many times we see, not just Tesla, people assuming because they and their followers know what is going on, that everybody knows.
We see the same problem with all the new owners with 2 or 3 years of "free charging" hogging the chargers to charge to 100%. Not understanding that electrons do not flow as easily as gasoline. Besides they may reduce the life of their battery by continually charging to 100%. They have not done their homework when they bought that latest "fade" in automobiles of buying that BEV.

It doesn't. That's implied. I was referring to your "it states that Tesla chargers are just for Tesla cars", but Plugshare shows that the MagicDock stations are available for CCS cars too.

Your point about many EV drivers not doing their homework first is valid though. There's absolutely a learning curve to EVs, and especially CCS DCFC use. Which the government and other EV pushers don't stress enough.

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