Mach-E vs. 2024 Porsche Macan EV - design, specs, price

[kennethjk]

A new GTPE can be had at a significant discount to the 68k MSRP right now.

And the Macan? Likely over $100k optioned the way you’d want it.

Then there are the used GTPEs for 45k to consider as well.

So any time in the near future, they aren’t going to be very comparable when cross shopping based on price.

Plus the 2024 GTPE should have a little more power and less limits. The performance difference may not be that big.

The suspension may be a nice upgrade though.

You can probably spend 125 on a nice Macan EV but pretty sure one at 85 will be much better than the GTPE

wether it’s worth it to someone , well that all depends

it would be to me just not to deal with a Ford dealership , LOL

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[kennethjk]

I totally expect the Macan to be a great driver's car. Porsche is unmatched when it comes to building high performance cars.

But seriously. I paid $62k for my car. A similarly equipped Macan will be $40k more, easy. Is it really that much better?

My MME is so fast and it so fun on the curves. Of course I have modified my car, so it isn't stock. But still. I love driving it, and I love driving it fast. The Macan will also be fun, but more fun? I doubt it.

My next car will need to be fun but it will also need more range. The Macan will not provide more range. I am not interested.

Funny how everyone thinks you will need to spend over $100k when the prices aren’t out and we don’t know all the option or standard equipment

as an example a base 911 is all people really need , a great car and you don’t have to add anything but people buy the S or add 30k in options, none really needed

Macan starts at 80 k , let’s see what’s included but the base Macan EV could be way better than the best MME GTPE may not be worth an upgrade to people but to some people who have neither it might be something to consider

 

[Mach1E]

You can probably spend 125 on a nice Macan EV but pretty sure one at 85 will be much better than the GTPE

wether it’s worth it to someone , well that all depends

it would be to me just not to deal with a Ford dealership , LOL

That’s the case with luxury cars usually.

The total no options base price is usually pretty appealing, and a lot of times is similar to a “cheaper car” totally loaded.

But in this case if 85k, it’s still at least 25k more than a GTPE. It had better be nicer!

The price problem comes of course as soon as you add options. And porche options are ridiculously expensive.

If I were shopping today and didn’t already have my GTPE, I for sure would at least consider the Macan. But I have a feeling I would only want the GTS (or turbo or whatever they end up calling the fast one).

And you could probably get two GTPEs for the price of the Macan I would want.

Reminds me of when I had my last car (2015 Chevy SS) and I test drove my friends new 2020 M5 competition.

The M5 was for sure faster and better in every way. But it wasn’t as much better as I thought it would be. And for $130k? I wasn’t even remotely tempted.

 

[kennethjk]

That’s the case with luxury cars usually.

The total no options base price is usually pretty appealing, and a lot of times is similar to a “cheaper car” totally loaded.

But in this case if 85k, it’s still at least 25k more than a GTPE. It had better be nicer!

The price problem comes of course as soon as you add options. And porche options are ridiculously expensive.

If I were shopping today and didn’t already have my GTPE, I for sure would at least consider the Macan. But I have a feeling I would only want the GTS (or turbo or whatever they end up calling the fast one).

And you could probably get two GTPEs for the price of the Macan I would want.

Reminds me of when I had my last car (2015 Chevy SS) and I test drove my friends new 2020 M5 competition.

The M5 was for sure faster and better in every way. But it wasn’t as much better as I thought it would be. And for $130k? I wasn’t even remotely tempted.

Agree on all points but the Macan you want compared to the Macan you need are 2 different things, the base Macan may be much more of a car than the GTPE maybe not worth the extra cost to many

I mean who really needs the turbo? LOL
when I got my Macan S I considered the turbo but ended up more than happy with the S

 

[mkhuffman]

Agree on all points but the Macan you want compared to the Macan you need are 2 different things, the base Macan may be much more of a car than the GTPE maybe not worth the extra cost to many

I mean who really needs the turbo? LOL
when I got my Macan S I considered the turbo but ended up more than happy with the S

A Porsche is not a car anyone needs, at any price. It is a car people want. And do you want subpar features on a $85k car? No.

If I am going to buy a Macan, it is because I want it and I want similar features as I have on my MME. Or better. Like ventilated seats.

I didn't "need" my MME either. I wanted it. If I just need transportation, I should buy a used Toyota Corolla.

 

[kennethjk]

A Porsche is not a car anyone needs, at any price. It is a car people want. And do you want subpar features on a $85k car? No.

If I am going to buy a Macan, it is because I want it and I want similar features as I have on my MME. Or better. Like ventilated seats.

I didn't "need" my MME either. I wanted it. If I just need transportation, I should buy a used Toyota Corolla.

Let’s see what is standard before we make comparisons because we don’t know what if any subpar features it might have.



I only know air suspension is or so I heard

I am sure you can get ventilated seats. You want 14 way seats, yep, 18 way seats sure

No one needs a Porsche anymore than the MME is correct

cars are a waste of money but at least they can be fun if you enjoy driving

most people use a car to get from pt A to pt B and don’t care what they are driving as long as they make it

and then there are others that like the thrill of driving , plenty of cars that fill that niche

 

[azerik]

Agree on all points but the Macan you want compared to the Macan you need are 2 different things, the base Macan may be much more of a car than the GTPE maybe not worth the extra cost to many

I mean who really needs the turbo? LOL
when I got my Macan S I considered the turbo but ended up more than happy with the S

GTS only for me now days.
Though I was just eyeing a GT2RS with $165k
In OPTIONS! Eyeing, like a high schooler at a strip club.

 

[LincolnLuvr]

TBD on the “more range.”

They did a 60 mph cruise test. Hardly an EPA official rating.

Pretty sure they said early on it won’t have the 2 speed.

Kyle did 70mph on the base trim; Edmunds did 60 mph on the performance trim.

 

[Mach1E]

Kyle did 70mph on the base trim; Edmunds did 60 mph on the performance trim.

Either way, neither is an official EPA rating, so no point in comparing the numbers to our EPA ratings.

Here is yet another range test by Car and Driver-

280 miles, avg 63 mph for the base trim.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a46354653/2024-porsche-macan-ev-range-preview/

 

[Unobtanium]

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Yeah, it is highly unlikely the Macan is measurably more efficient than my MME - it might even be less at highway speeds. So with 1 kWh less capacity, and similar aero, there is no way this is an improvement over my car as far as range goes. It is physics.

So if you are looking for better performance, it could be a good upgrade (with a price that is probably not worth the improvement). For my needs, I rate it "meh". Definitely not worth replacing what I consider to be a great car. And my MME is a great car. (Except for range.)

There is more to it than that. You have ability to disconnect axles, inverter efficiency, all sorts of jazz. For example my ev6 GT is way more efficient than my Volvo c40, even though same weight, 21 vs 20 inch rims, wider tires, etc on the GT. The only spec that would make you think the GT is more efficient is the drag of 0.297 vs 0.329. That doesn't explain how I get 50mi more range out of the same size battery. More magic involved...


Also, the 2 speed in the VAG products is because they haven't gotten high performance ev motors down just yet. Seems theyve got it sorted, now. Notice how the big boys in EV only need a single speed to hit well over 150+. Stable, 20k+ rpm motors are they way...

 

[Unobtanium]

Either way, neither is an official EPA rating, so no point in comparing the numbers to our EPA ratings.

Here is yet another range test by Car and Driver-

280 miles, avg 63 mph for the base trim.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a46354653/2024-porsche-macan-ev-range-preview/

EPA doesn't matter. EPA rated my c40 at 226mi and my ev6 GT ar 206mi. My GT goes over 250mi, and my c40 would probably have been lucky to hit 226. Very lucky on the prettiest of summer days.

For further explanation see Tesla DOJ probe.

 

[mkhuffman]

There is more to it than that. You have ability to disconnect axles, inverter efficiency, all sorts of jazz. For example my ev6 GT is way more efficient than my Volvo c40, even though same weight, 21 vs 20 inch rims, wider tires, etc on the GT. The only spec that would make you think the GT is more efficient is the drag of 0.297 vs 0.329. That doesn't explain how I get 50mi more range out of the same size battery. More magic involved...


Also, the 2 speed in the VAG products is because they haven't gotten high performance ev motors down just yet. Seems theyve got it sorted, now. Notice how the big boys in EV only need a single speed to hit well over 150+. Stable, 20k+ rpm motors are they way...

I agree except I am really only concerned with highway range. At 80 mph, that drag coefficient difference could easily be 90% of the difference, maybe more. At slower speeds where the aero isn't as important, then definitely drivetrain efficiency has a bigger impact.

The Lucid Air has a very efficient drivetrain, but it is also more aerodynamic than the MME. At 80 mph, it can maybe get 3 mi/kWh. Some are reporting less. I get 2.4 mi/kWh at 80 mph. There is no way the Macan will match the efficiency of the Air at 80 mph, and it is likely to be very similar to what we get in our MMEs.

Maybe testing will demonstrate otherwise. Maybe they did some areo magic to get a better Cd than our cars. It is possible. But IMO the difference is going to be small.

We are only guessing of course. I will be interested to see the Car and Driver 75 mph test results. And then real word testing by actual owners.

 

[tmrqs]

@mkhuffman @Unobtanium

The Lucid Air has a 0.21 drag coeff vs 0.25 for the Macan EV, 0.28 for the EV6 and 0.30 for the MME (and anecdotally 0.35 for the Macan ICE).

Quite the improvement.

 

[mkhuffman]

@mkhuffman @Unobtanium

The Lucid Air has a 0.21 drag coeff vs 0.25 for the Macan EV, 0.28 for the EV6 and 0.30 for the MME (and anecdotally 0.35 for the Macan ICE).

Quite the improvement.

That is definitely significant. Excellent!

I think the 19" wheel Air has a Cd of 0.19, at least according to the Wikki.

 

[Mach1E]

EPA doesn't matter. EPA rated my c40 at 226mi and my ev6 GT ar 206mi. My GT goes over 250mi, and my c40 would probably have been lucky to hit 226. Very lucky on the prettiest of summer days.

For further explanation see Tesla DOJ probe.

EPA does matter for comparing numbers in that at least there is a 50% chance we are comparing range on the same test (EPA uses two tests).

My point was that we can’t compare a 60 mph cruise range to our EPA test range. It’s not the same test.

If you drive your ev6 and your c40 like they did in the EPA test, you’ll get EPA results.

And that 10% drag coefficient difference between your cars makes a huge difference at highway speeds.

But to be clear, I’m NOT saying that the EPA is a perfect comparison for range, just that you can’t compare these preliminary cruising tests to the EPA as they aren’t remotely the same type of test.

Some here seemed to already be convinced the Mach e is less efficient than the Macan and I say we don’t know yet.

I would guess the better drag will definitely help its highway range though. But we shall see how the 600+ hp motors hurt.

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