Looking forward to Tesla Supercharger Adaptor but....

[BayAviator]

No matter where non-Tesla owners park their cars at Tesla superchargers there will be a lot of unnecessary verbal conflicts. Does anyone here really think a Tesla owner will not freak out over a Chevy Bolt being at one of "their chargers?"

I look forward to the YouTube videos of Tesla Karen's going crazy and demanding non-Tesla owners get out of their spot so they could charge their Tesla. It's going to be a great!

The Tesla drivers will get nothing but verbal conflict back from me! I'll stop charging on "their" chargers when they stop charging on ours!

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[leehinde]

I don’t understand why bolt is being singled out? What about a leaf? Or an electric focus? Or a plug-in fusion? Or a plug-in aviator?

Or a Mach-E. They're hardly the fastest charging vehicle.

 

[leehinde]

Or a Mach-E. They're hardly the fastest charging vehicle.

Edit: See also:

 

[Jimrpa]

As of now none of these are getting Supercharger access.

I thought GM, Nissan, and Ford were all getting access to Tesla SuperChargers. How can they limit by model if the vehicles can charge at superchargers with magic docks?

 

[bbulkow]

so.... when we finally DO get adaptors, and we pull up to a supercharger, how can we tell externally whether it supports NACS adaptor ?

check ahead with plugshare ?

Oh, it's worse than that! There could be a mix of 250kw and 150kw at a site. If you look at the ford provided doc, the 150kws (which are V2s and not supported) look identical from a distance, but there's a little silver band right near the charging plug on one, but not the other.

I was super impressed with Ford eng for printing that in their official document. Probably they were like WTF?!?!? to Tesla and Tesla was like, oh, but there's this little band.... but maybe I'm projecting.

 

[bbulkow]

I thought GM, Nissan, and Ford were all getting access to Tesla SuperChargers. How can they limit by model if the vehicles can charge at superchargers with magic docks?

Do you mean, how would you write code that excludes based on VIN number for some chargers, but not others?

In the backend service, query the charger type first. Depending on the result, for some chargers, query the VIN, and apply some business logic check the VIN for those types. Whether it's more efficient to decode the VIN to a "type" and apply a very simple state diagram, or look up the VIN and in each VIN encode which categories of chargers, is somewhat a point of style regarding database normalization. Generally you fully normalize, but then you've got hot tables, so either you invoke a very good cache or you denormalize (that's where you just pull the VIN and it has the categories of chargers that vin can do... instead of pulling a VIN, getting it's category, then querying a table that says which categories of cars can charge or are blocked at which category of chargers. In a service architecture with well supported async capabilities, you might query both in parallel. Or you might code the WHERE in SQL and make sure to use a SQL engine that's well optimized for this kind of pattern.

But maybe you weren't asking that

 

[timbop]

I thought GM, Nissan, and Ford were all getting access to Tesla SuperChargers. How can they limit by model if the vehicles can charge at superchargers with magic docks?

The prefix of the VIN identifies the manufacturer; the "F" in 3FM is for Ford Motor Company

Oh, it's worse than that! There could be a mix of 250kw and 150kw at a site. If you look at the ford provided doc, the 150kws (which are V2s and not supported) look identical from a distance, but there's a little silver band right near the charging plug on one, but not the other.

I was super impressed with Ford eng for printing that in their official document. Probably they were like WTF?!?!? to Tesla and Tesla was like, oh, but there's this little band.... but maybe I'm projecting.

You don't have to use plugshare to guess:

1. Fordpass now shows Tesla chargers that are compatible (but does not show incompatible ones)
2. The charge assist app in the car shows compatible SC's after the recent OTA
3. Ford's NAV is being updated to route to compatible chargers
4. Tesla's website shows you as long as you filter ONLY for "NACS" and "Other EVs". If you leave the plain "Superchargers" button enabled it will also show you incompatible SCs: https://www.tesla.com/findus?filters=nacs,party

 

[dtbaker61]

Oh, it's worse than that! There could be a mix of 250kw and 150kw at a site. If you look at the ford provided doc, the 150kws (which are V2s and not supported) look identical from a distance, but there's a little silver band right near the charging plug on one, but not the other.

I was super impressed with Ford eng for printing that in their official document. Probably they were like WTF?!?!? to Tesla and Tesla was like, oh, but there's this little band.... but maybe I'm projecting.

well, maybe we get a stack of stickers with our NACS that say 'NACS compatible', and when we use a Supercharger that works, slap a sticker on....

 

[Vulnox]

I am hoping ABRP adds a filter for "NACS Compatible" vehicles. I found I can add the Tesla SC network, but I haven't been able to find in their help docs or on the app where I can say I only want V3+ Superchargers. I was surprised ABRP didn't have that data (or at least I haven't found it) as I would think even as a Tesla owner you would want to be able to choose a route with V3 and not V2 if the routes were otherwise similar.

 

[mdolan92869]

I am hoping ABRP adds a filter for "NACS Compatible" vehicles. I found I can add the Tesla SC network, but I haven't been able to find in their help docs or on the app where I can say I only want V3+ Superchargers. I was surprised ABRP didn't have that data (or at least I haven't found it) as I would think even as a Tesla owner you would want to be able to choose a route with V3 and not V2 if the routes were otherwise similar.

In ABRP,

• click the hamburger in the upper right.
• just past halfway down, click Chargers & Networks
• now click Type of charger (it doesn't look like something to click)
• you should now see NACS as an item to select

But be warned, even with that selected, it'll still show you places where you can't charge, like in Primm, Nevada. I'm hoping it's a database update that they can apply soon™

Edit: before quitting out of ABRP (on my Mac, not my iPhone), I looked at the map and Primm has now been removed, as has the large Baker Tesla installation.

 

[Vulnox]

In ABRP,

• click the hamburger in the upper right.
• just past halfway down, click Chargers & Networks
• now click Type of charger (it doesn't look like something to click)
• you should now see NACS as an item to select

But be warned, even with that selected, it'll still show you places where you can't charge, like in Primm, Nevada. I'm hoping it's a database update that they can apply soon™

Edit: before quitting out of ABRP (on my Mac, not my iPhone), I looked at the map and Primm has now been removed, as has the large Baker Tesla installation.

Unless I am missing something, that still leaves the issue I noted in what you quoted though right? I had that enabled (NACS), but that shows V2 chargers as well, I thought at least. If this is just adapter-compatible-NACS SCs then that's great. But it seemed like it was the entire Tesla NACS network.

 

[mdolan92869]

Unless I am missing something, that still leaves the issue I noted in what you quoted though right? I had that enabled (NACS), but that shows V2 chargers as well, I thought at least. If this is just adapter-compatible-NACS SCs then that's great. But it seemed like it was the entire Tesla NACS network.

Oh! I see what you're saying, not chargers, but vehicles that are NACS compatible. You're right, my steps were for NACS compatible chargers. Not sure why it's showing V2 chargers for you, when did you last check? I did it just now when writing my post and noticed the 2 that used to be shown that aren't available to us were no longer there, the Primm and Baker stops.

 

[kodiakng]

Oh, it's worse than that! There could be a mix of 250kw and 150kw at a site. If you look at the ford provided doc, the 150kws (which are V2s and not supported) look identical from a distance, but there's a little silver band right near the charging plug on one, but not the other.

I was super impressed with Ford eng for printing that in their official document. Probably they were like WTF?!?!? to Tesla and Tesla was like, oh, but there's this little band.... but maybe I'm projecting.

tesla isn't opening sites with mixed v2 and v3 chargers to NACS capable vehicles right now.

since NACS access is just now being rolled out i expect we'll hear the usual early stories about confusion that will smooth out before the masses hit - but the problem stories will already be legend and dominate the public memory as it usually does.

 

[Vulnox]

Oh! I see what you're saying, not chargers, but vehicles that are NACS compatible. You're right, my steps were for NACS compatible chargers. Not sure why it's showing V2 chargers for you, when did you last check? I did it just now when writing my post and noticed the 2 that used to be shown that aren't available to us were no longer there, the Primm and Baker stops.

Nevermind! You were right all along. I thought it was showing non-compatible when that was selected but one of the areas marked as a stop for a route I tried is Fort Wayne, Indiana. In Ft Wayne there is a Meijer with 150kW SCs and another further south with 250s. It only shows the 250s on ABRP with the settings you mentioned. I compared the Michigan/Indiana areas between ABRP and the Tesla site with "vehicles with NACS" selected and they match up. When I add the general superchargers option on the Tesla map it shows additional that don't show in ABRP.

I thought ABRP was showing all SCs because of that setting and it isn't That's very cool. Thanks for sticking with me and confirming.

 

[Woeo]

ABRP has already integrated NACS (Tesla V3+ SuperChargers) into their app under "Type of Chargers".

Just updated my ABRP configuration settings. Thank you. Psyched to try soon. My A2Z adapter [Jan 6th order] was scheduled to arrive Friday but UPS pushed the delivery to tomorrow.

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