10% to 80% charge in 39 minutes!

[Sikkun]

On an actual 300+ mile trip (so when DC charging becomes a factor).

Even in my ICE a stop is generally more than filling with gas and leaving.

I have found in my real world every DC charge stop have made ends up over charging because by the time I’ve finished the things I stoped to do (which also happen with an ICE). Way more than just the time to pump gas has passed.

Have I driven 14 hours only stopping twice for 5 minutes? Yes. Does my wife love me less because of it? Probably.

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[Doobster6]

If you look into it, you probably can have gasoline delivered to a storage tank at home and refuel an ICEV at home too. The reason you've never looked into it is because ICEV recharge in a convenient 5 minutes.

I have looked into it for my municipality and I can refuel ICEV at home. But again, I don't need to.

BUT………that would likely cost me $0.25/mile vs. the $0.04/mile I am paying currently to charge my EV, which could even drop to $0.015/mile if I switch to a TOU plan.

 

[tuminatr]

@Angelnx1985 did a 10-80 fast charging test on his 2021 First Edition.

Did Ford make a change to the charge curve? This seems about 4-6 mins faster than a lot of sessions.

Not that I have seen this is from mid July. 2021 GTPE that had the EA set as destination on Ford Navigation

 

[silverelan]

I remember filling up my ICE from near-empty to 100% in about 3 minutes, and added over 500 miles of range.

lol 500 miles from a gas station? That’s amateur hour. I can do 1500+ miles/week of charging in my sleep.

 

[silverelan]

Yeah… except that ICEs were an improvement over horses in basically every way. Noise? Ok.

By contrast, this current generation of EVs has regressed from ICE in a major way.

And this illustrates one of the primary two hurdles to mass adoption (the other being cost) - people on this board excited about it “only” taking 39 minutes the fill up the tank to 80%. Gah, as a member of “the EV tribe,” this makes me cringe.

The news is that 39 minutes is down from the original advertised time of 45 minutes. Is it still too slow? In my opinion, yes. But it’s better than before and that’s a win.

 

[Teslaeata]

Ha ha, yes you did! Me too….and back in 1908 most people boasted that they could simply throw a bale of hay into their horse’s stall instead of having to find fuel for “…one of those noisy contraptions”. As Mark Twain once said, “..history doesn’t repeat itself, but it frequently rhymes.” We are now living through one of those rhyme times…..

A matter of horses for courses, perchance?
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[Teslaeata]

Whether it's "major" or not depends on your use case. There are EV owners who have literally never had to use a DC fast charger because they've got L1/L2 options that serve all their needs.

I won't deny that refuel intervals are a disadvantage, sure, but for me they're not a dealbreaker and I suspect for many it doesn't come out as bad as they might fear. I've done a lot of road tripping in my MME this summer and found that longer charging stops gave me an opportunity to catch up on email and work reading, for instance. I was pleased to discover that YouTube is now working in Canada, so that will be another option for stops.

One little-considered benefit to EV charging over petrol refueling: at least you have the option of walking away from the car, so in theory you have more flexible use of the time you're spending.

Really interesting.

Everybody’s use is different and state of mind & approach affects the experience, too.

EV use has become something I don’t even think about anymore differently to just getting in an ICE when I go out.

Have to say, though, infrastructure here in UK must be about best in the world from what I hear from other posters.

It must be the best time to use and EV in UK, I am told there are now more charge stations than filling stations and I find whenout on the road so much (30,000+ miles per year) that availability has far outstripped demand to the point I can’t remember ever waiting for someone to finish a charge.

I do loads of road tripping, 300-450 mile days regularly and find I never now “stop to charge” though I do put car on a DCFC charger twice and sometimes 3 times day.

I charge when and for how long I need to stop.

The routine is when I need a feed or toilet break, I connect to DCFC, fetch “the worm” & visit the loo, disconnect and go, very rarely waiting for charger to reach 80% or at all as there’s no real need because I’ll require another stop during the trip and before the car actually needs a charge.

My DCFC charge power must now account for 26% of total so 8,100kWh of power in c200 DCFC connections.

Enjoy your EV & Mach-e experience, peeps?

 

[Teslaeata]

Yeah, a Saddlery shop... ???

If you’re forever looking back you tend to find all the obstacles stopping you from progressing when you bump into them???

 

[Teslaeata]

lol 500 miles from a gas station? That’s amateur hour. I can do 1500+ miles/week of charging in my sleep.

Good point well put.

1,000 miles per week sometimes while either sleeping and comfort breaking on road, never have to sleep, comfort break then spend time filling a fuel tank & paying ?

ICE was nice, EV EVen better??

 

[Mach1E]

Ha ha, yes you did! Me too….and back in 1908 most people boasted that they could simply throw a bale of hay into their horse’s stall instead of having to find fuel for “…one of those noisy contraptions”. As Mark Twain once said, “..history doesn’t repeat itself, but it frequently rhymes.” We are now living through one of those rhyme times…..

Not sure why people always go back to horses vs cars as an analogy when comparing electric cars to gas powered cars.

If we are talking about the history of the automobile, no analogy is needed!!

Electric cars have been around just as long as gas powered ones. They’ve been in direct competition with each other for over 100 years.

And so far, gas has won that “horse race” every time.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/electric-vs-gasoline-cars-history-repeats/

Why? For the same exact reasons as 100 years ago- cost, range, charging, infrastructure. Sound familiar?

 

[tuminatr]

Really interesting.

Everybody’s use is different and state of mind & approach affects the experience, too.

EV use has become something I don’t even think about anymore differently to just getting in an ICE when I go out.

Have to say, though, infrastructure here in UK must be about best in the world from what I hear from other posters.

It must be the best time to use and EV in UK, I am told there are now more charge stations than filling stations and I find whenout on the road so much (30,000+ miles per year) that availability has far outstripped demand to the point I can’t remember ever waiting for someone to finish a charge.

I do loads of road tripping, 300-450 mile days regularly and find I never now “stop to charge” though I do put car on a DCFC charger twice and sometimes 3 times day.

I charge when and for how long I need to stop.

The routine is when I need a feed or toilet break, I connect to DCFC, fetch “the worm” & visit the loo, disconnect and go, very rarely waiting for charger to reach 80% or at all as there’s no real need because I’ll require another stop during the trip and before the car actually needs a charge.

My DCFC charge power must now account for 26% of total so 8,100kWh of power in c200 DCFC connections.


Enjoy your EV & Mach-e experience, peeps?

Well one thought is EU standardized charging so all EVs use the same plugs helps. We will get there now that NACS has become the standard but likely will take years. Also residential power is the USA is mostly 2 phase 110v in EU it's 220v and much more 3 phase as needed for EV DC charging. I have seen chargers sit waiting to be energized for up to a year.

The amount you drive is way more than most in Europe. I read somewhere the average is 7000 miles per year so there is also likely less demand for DCFC. One last thought things are closer as an example Saint Paul, MN to Chicago is 400 miles London to Paris is 300 miles.

 

[dbsb3233]

The charge curve in the video looks pretty typical to me. Just a tad slow, actually. When I paid more attention 3 years ago, a good session would stay in the 120-125kw area up to 40% (after the initial 2-minute spike up to 163). From 40-60% it would gradually creep down to 80-85kw. Then stay there to 80%.

After having done over 300 DCFCs now, I don't pay much attention anymore, other than to make sure it starts off ok. But a few spot checks here and there have noticed a pattern more like the video, where it's usually a tad lower than before. 110's are more common now before 40%. And 60's-70's more common before 80%.

On a related note, since the Ford EA discount beta program I was in no longer exists, I've had to go back to turning off P&C and using EA Pass+ to activate EA sessions through the app like I used to do 3 years ago. At first I couldn't get the NFC phone tap feature to work. Turns out you have to activate it first in the EA by going to ACCOUNT, PAYMENT, PAY WITH NFC. At first glance it looks like that's just a how-to page but apparently it actually configured the app to turn on the feature.

 

[dbsb3233]

Another way to look at it is to boil it down to one simple number: average power.

62.5 kWh / 39 minutes * 60 = 96kW avg

That's fairly typical. A good session for me was 100-105, but 90-95 was still pretty common. However I rarely drive all the way down to 10% on road trips. I do usually charge up to 80%, but 20-80 or 30-80 are more common for me. Which means I skip some of the highest power and should have slightly lower average there.

96 is just a tad on the weak side relative to a good session 2-3 years ago for me. But my car is 3.5 years old with 62,000 miles now. Not sure if that has any impact.

 

[Maki de Fher]

I found that DC charging from 40s% to 80s% works better for me on roadtrips. You can do that in under 20min and keep going. That’s about the time you need to grab a quick bite and/or go to a restroom.

 

[dbsb3233]

I found that DC charging from 40s% to 80s% works better for me on roadtrips. You can do that in under 20min and keep going. That’s about the time you need to grab a quick bite and/or go to a restroom.

We do a lot of those too. We tend to arrive at our next DCFC anywhere from 20-50%. But of course it just depends on where the chargers are (usually EA). For instance on I-70 thru Utah, Green River is 100 miles from any DCFC either direction. And it can be a flaky station, so I often overcharge the stop prior. That means I'm usually arriving at 40-45%. Enough to limp the 100 miles to the next charger at slower speed if I have to skip it.

As a general rule, I like to leave enough in the battery to reach a backup station, just in case the target station is full or down.

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