12V Battery - Something has to be done!

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FORD, listen up……….I love all the new improvements planned for 2025; cooled seats, heat pump, more center console space. Etc. But what I continually read in these forums is the overall nightmare that is the MME’s 12V implementation. Everyone lives in fear of the ‘somewhere-around-three-year’ surprise binary failure, which apparently occurs without notice. Even if covered under warranty, your customers shouldn’t be inconvenienced by a total and instant shut down of the entire car, and then the Byzantine means by which it must be corrected by the owner, or towed away back to a Ford dealer. The whole thing in place now for 4 (or is it 5?) model years looks like a last minute Rube-Goldberg solution to an overlooked problem!
Here are some suggestions:

- Change battery chemistry and/or construction to something that doesn’t just go from a ‘1’ to a ‘0’ with no advance warning. Also, these batteries ought to enjoy a 5-7 year lifespan instead of 3 years, just like ‘old fashioned’ lead-acid batteries currently do.
- Provide the means of gaging/viewing its SOC if that’s still necessary after you make some changes. Lead acid batteries in ICE cars usually warn us with slow engine cranking for example, giving us (usually) months worth of heads-up.
- Change the logic by which the HVB wakes up and recharges the LVB. Maybe this is already in place with recent OTA updates?
- Provide a mechanical override cable (like those often found in trunks) that will allow the front hood to be opened without having to ‘jumper’ it open through the front portal. I mean, who carries a 12V supply in their back pocket (because you can’t keep it in a car that can’t be accessed absent 12V power).
- Provide a snap-down lift-up panel under the hood so that it’s easy to access and/or remove the battery without having to dis-assemble 2/3rds of the other plastic panels.

Maybe all this has been suggested already throughout the MME’s first years. If so, why aren’t we hearing about specific changes to address the issue? I’ll shut up when I see some changes that actually do!

BTW…..otherwise I LOVE my MME, which currently is only 5 months old and has only 2,300 miles. It’s been problem free and a total joy to own! I’ll want to stay with it when my lease is up in 2027, but stupid issues like this one will give me pause…..
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I do think Ford should provide some type of LV battery monitoring method so that the owner would KNOW that the battery is in distress or below some safe threshold.

But until they do, it's about $25 to install the feature yourself. I will not be unaware of a failing or tired AGM.
 

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To address some of these, Ford has made some software changes that decrease drain risk and recharge the 12V sooner. Ford is also going to roll out a battery health notification in FordPass to warn when the 12V battery is end of life:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/12v-battery-health-alert-in-fordpass-app-coming-soon.38444/

I think the above will be the most helpful to avoid further 12V issues. 12V state of charge would be nice, but a lot of people will freak and not understand that anywhere from 50-90% is normal (and the fact it doesn’t charge all the way to 100% due to kinetics).

Ideally Ford would switch to a lithium LVB in the future, but that’s a lot more expensive and I don’t think their 12 V charging strategies are there yet with the legacy module architecture still in use.

A release cable hidden in the front bumper similar to what Rivian has might be advantageous. But that should still require tools and work so some random thief can’t just walk up to your car and pull the cable to get in your frunk.

All things considered, the most recent model years of the Mach-E have a very low chance of having a 12 V issue compared to a 2021.

If mine dies, then I call roadside or a friend to bring jumper cables and I jump it. I’m not too concerned about it, will deal with it on the rare chance it occurs.
 


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All things considered, the most recent model years of the Mach-E have a very low chance of having a 12 V issue compared to a 2021.
why is 2021 disadvantaged? i didn't understand

also a lot of the comments have been saying jumper didn't work when the tow truck came?
 

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why is 2021 disadvantaged? i didn't understand

also a lot of the comments have been saying jumper didn't work when the tow truck came?
Here's the problem.

The bumper leads will open the frunk IF THE BATTERY IS DEAD. If the battery is WEAK, they will not.

The 12v power source that is required isn't provided by a lot of jump boxes, so they can't get the frunk open...

Once it's open, they then need to charge the 12v enough to start the vehicle.
 

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why is 2021 disadvantaged? i didn't understand

also a lot of the comments have been saying jumper didn't work when the tow truck came?
Because 2021s are behind on software and their batteries were subjected to more abuse during their lives.

Jumping from the tow truck didn’t work either because:
A) The lockout wasn’t a low 12V battery issue (e.g. a software glitch)
B) The tow truck did not have an adequate jump box or jumper cables that provide the required output.
 

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Because 2021s are behind on software and their batteries were subjected to more abuse during their lives.

Jumping from the tow truck didn’t work either because:
A) The lockout wasn’t a low 12V battery issue (e.g. a software glitch)
B) The tow truck did not have an adequate jump box or jumper cables that provide the required output.
which update helped the 12V battery management?
 

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why is 2021 disadvantaged? i didn't understand
1st year, so software gremlins
also now over 3 years old so the battery is due for replacement.
Reality is there should be a dumb time like on the Lexus that just pops up and says "36 month old 12v battery, schedule a replacement. You have been warned"
 

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Just had to replace my 12v battery today. Just over 3.5 years old. Got in the car after a short stop and got all the warnings and couldn’t shift to drive. Turned everything off and let it set for a minute. Then was able to get it to start and get into drive. Luckily the deal was able to replace it today because we’re taking out of town Monday. So glad it failed today instead of on the trip. I was already planning on swapping it when we got back (and I had a little more time) after Christmas.

But if it hadn’t been for this forum. I would have assumed entire car was dying since none of the MANY warning messages said “Your 12v battery is dying”.
 

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I dodged the very early 12v battery problems some folks had with their not-even-old 2021s and replaced my Mach E with a Genesis GV60 before my '21 Mach E has any age-relayed 12v issues.

6 months into owning the GV60, I came out to a flat 12v battery and a dead vehicle that was over 90% hv soc when I drove it an hour earlier.

Genesis does provide a physical key - not in the fob but in package that could fit in your wallet. (Some folks gripe about it not being integrated into the fob but with paak and face/fingerprint unlock, separate probably makes sense.)

The battery cover can be opened and moved out of the way by hand without removing any fasteners. (Although the manual instructs you to remove one plastic pop faster. I couldn't figure that out but I did "discover" the rotate trick.)

So I guess Genesis did the mitigation part better....but why are EVs having these no-warning 12v battery issues?

There are no DTCs, no messages....

After the first episode, I bought a Bluetooth battery monitor.

The vehicle was even plugged in when this happened!

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