2025 Mach-E Order Guide

[GreaseMonkey]

You are mistaken if you think all manufacturers start making all their 2025 models in late-Summer/early-Fall. There is no mandatory start of manufacturing for a model year. I've seen Toyota not release a model year vehicle until well into the calendar year for that model. And I've seen them do a very early release, like June or July, for the following calendar year (i.e released in mid 2003 but called a 2004 model).


2022 Model Year for the Mach-E didn't start production until January 3rd, 2022. But the 2023 Model year started production in November of 2022.

Ok, you have another example of a dumb OEM. Care to share why they are choosing to be dumb? Or you don’t know and are simply commenting about the “all OEMs” statement? Cause that is not the operative word. “Most OEMs” would work too and wouldn’t change the gist of what I’m saying.

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[devmach-e]

Ok, you have another example of a dumb OEM. Care to share why they are choosing to be dumb? Or you don’t know and are simply commenting about the “all OEMs” statement? Cause that is not the operative word. “Most OEMs” would work too and wouldn’t change the gist of what I’m saying.

It isn't just Ford or Toyota who will release a new model year of a car in the same calendar year. BMW, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes, and VW have all done it. And will continue to do it as they see fit.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-model-years-arent-in-sync-with-the-calendar/

We're no longer bound by tradition from 90 years ago.

 

[Pioneer74]

General public have access to that?

I think you can gain access if you pay for it.

 

[Pioneer74]

For you guys discussing the model year launch dates, I thought you'd also like to know that Ford started building the 2026 model year Econoline trucks on January 6th as well.

Why? I guess because the can.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

It isn't just Ford or Toyota who will release a new model year of a car in the same calendar year. BMW, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes, and VW have all done it. And will continue to do it as they see fit.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-model-years-arent-in-sync-with-the-calendar/

We're no longer bound by tradition from 90 years ago.

Friend, I’m not here to pick a fight w/ you. But you seem to be unable / unwilling to get the point I’m making.

I don’t care if some OEM does it occasionally when they introduce a new model or deal with Covid-induced supply chain issues. These are one-off situations and not very interesting or impactful. Why is Ford doing it now, during a model year transition on a vehicle that’s been in production for the past 5 years? Why are they supplying obsolete 2024 vehicles to the market, that they have to heavily discount when they can (with one click of a button) change model years and sell them as hot off the GA line? There must be a reason why they routinely do it and others routinely don’t.

But I know you don’t have the answer. So I’m moving on. I hope you will too.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

For you guys discussing the model year launch dates, I thought you'd also like to know that Ford started building the 2026 model year Econoline trucks on January 6th as well.

Why? I guess because the can.

I know they can. But that seems to be against their economic best interest. Anyway, no one here knows, so I’m dropping it.

 

[Jimrpa]

Traditionally, auto makers had to do plant shutdowns for both retooling and training workers on assembly procedures for new model year vehicles. These shutdown periods would last a few months. They were typically done over the summer (for a lot of reasons). Hence, the “new” model year Y would normally start in the fall of year Y-1. Rarely, they would do mid-year new model introductions (the original Mustang was a 1964 1/2 introduction). They would also introduce special packages or models in mid-year, usually to garner additional attention. Mazda always launched various special edition Miatas in January.
Of course, with accelerated production technologies, the long shutdowns are frequently no longer necessary.

 

[devmach-e]

Friend, I’m not here to pick a fight w/ you. But you seem to be unable / unwilling to get the point I’m making.

I don’t care if some OEM does it occasionally when they introduce a new model or deal with Covid-induced supply chain issues. These are one-off situations and not very interesting or impactful. Why is Ford doing it now, during a model year transition on a vehicle that’s been in production for the past 5 years? Why are they supplying obsolete 2024 vehicles to the market, that they have to heavily discount when they can (with one click of a button) change model years and sell them as hot off the GA line? There must be a reason why they routinely do it and others routinely don’t.

But I know you don’t have the answer. So I’m moving on. I hope you will too.

What is your point? That Ford and other OEMs are suddenly playing games with release dates recently? They haven't They've been doing this well before the pandemic threw a monkey wrench in supply chains. None of the 2024 models on dealer lots from any marquee right now are obsolete. That's just needless hyperbole.

Does it really matter why Ford (or any other OEM) has decided to start production in 2025 for a 2025 MY vehicle? Or why they did it for 2022 and 2024 model years? Not to me, but it clearly has your knickers in a twist for some reason. The Car and Driver article I linked outlined some reasons why it happens (and not all pandemic related).

 

[GreaseMonkey]

What is your point? That Ford and other OEMs are suddenly playing games with release dates recently? They haven't They've been doing this well before the pandemic threw a monkey wrench in supply chains. None of the 2024 models on dealer lots from any marquee right now are obsolete. That's just needless hyperbole.

Does it really matter why Ford (or any other OEM) has decided to start production in 2025 for a 2025 MY vehicle? Or why they did it for 2022 and 2024 model years? Not to me, but it clearly has your knickers in a twist for some reason. The Car and Driver article I linked outlined some reasons why it happens (and not all pandemic related).

I don’t expect you to ever understand why it matters. Good bye, friend.

 

[Stanmckinney]

Traditionally, auto makers had to do plant shutdowns for both retooling and training workers on assembly procedures for new model year vehicles. These shutdown periods would last a few months. They were typically done over the summer (for a lot of reasons). Hence, the “new” model year Y would normally start in the fall of year Y-1. Rarely, they would do mid-year new model introductions (the original Mustang was a 1964 1/2 introduction). They would also introduce special packages or models in mid-year, usually to garner additional attention. Mazda always launched various special edition Miatas in January.
Of course, with accelerated production technologies, the long shutdowns are frequently no longer necessary.

Yes. Some including Ford also get the anniversary date wrong. Some also wrongly claim the Mustang was named for an airplane. I guess that is why the running pony appears on the car and wild Mustangs were in the introductory commercials in 1964.
Don’t try to make sense of it. You will just get a headache.

 

[Pioneer898]

It’s more tricky. Lifetime according to Ford is “at least 7 years”. I can’t recall where I read it, so can’t provide you a reference.

What you're remembering is in the order guide. It's minimum 7 years and free beyond that as long as the service is available. Looks like it's tied to the VIN, so it follows the car, not the owner, but it's also non-specific as to whether or not the service will transfer to a new owner.

BlueCruise:

Connectivity Package:

But they are protecting against needing to support obsolete hardware “forever”.

This is definitely the case, and they'd be crazy not to. Especially with the unknowns around how long these cars will last. Call me optimistic, but I could see a world where they're still buzzing around in 30 years. (hopefully with sweet new quantum-unobtanium batteries that get > 1000mi range)

 

[highland58]

Yes. Some including Ford also get the anniversary date wrong. Some also wrongly claim the Mustang was named for an airplane. I guess that is why the running pony appears on the car and wild Mustangs were in the introductory commercials in 1964.
Don’t try to make sense of it. You will just get a headache.

If it is not named after a P51 Mustang, then what is the reason for "Ground speed" on the speedometer?

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...e--no--its-the-ford-mustang-and-one-of-t.html

 

[HuntingPudel]

If it is not named after a P51 Mustang, then what is the reason for "Ground speed" on the speedometer?

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...e--no--its-the-ford-mustang-and-one-of-t.html

Why would Ford name their car after a GM product? There’s a reason the original aircraft had an Allison engine in it rather than the Rolls-Royce that Dutch and Edgar wanted. When Packard got the license to build the Merlin, it went right into the B and later models. ?‍?

 

[Jimrpa]

If it is not named after a P51 Mustang, then what is the reason for "Ground speed" on the speedometer?

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...e--no--its-the-ford-mustang-and-one-of-t.html

I don’t know the factual answer, but here’s my speculation: Ford was naming cars after various birds and animals at the time. “Mustang” was originally inspired by the wild horses of the American West. After the name had been chosen, “someone” noted the similarity to the military aircraft, so Ford leaned into that a bit as well.
This is just my personal speculation. I have no factual knowledge.

 

[phil]

...it's also non-specific as to whether or not the service will transfer to a new owner.

It says: "BlueCruise service will be active for a minimum of seven years on this vehicle..."

That sounds fully specific. No exception is made for cars transferred to new owners.

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