And so it begins...

[Teslaeata]

How reliable are the Charging stations in the UK? Are they broken often?

What can I say?

I was back of queue when patience was given out-ask wifey!

I looked dealer in the eye when I collected car and told him if this EV thing don’t work the car WILL be in Autotrader by that weekend.

68,000 miles and 28 months on……….

Sounds like we have plenty more charge points than US with more being installed all the time and never turn up at a provider’s charge-point when full or out of order because their App would forewarn of this.

Don’t find any that are out of order on App

I think we’re lucky.

And before any half-arsed politician from our current shite government pipes up and attempts taking credit, it’s not to their credit, it’s to the credit of the charge-point providers and market forces.

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[Teslaeata]

The thang isn't that it's not first come first serve, it is here as well. It's just about etiquette and where you "should" charge if possible.

Our infrastructure here is bad and I’m not sure the kW ratings on the stations over there, but if your stations are all the same kW then you wouldn’t experience this problem. You guys also have CCS1 connectors on all Superchargers and that network is open to you all so that makes life easier. In the USA we can’t always “go next” especially on road trips as there’s times when the next station is 50mi away.

It’s not so much about the queue or them being full, it’s about using the unit appropriate for your vehicle if you can. One day, I think the hope would be that all units will be 350kW and we won’t have to worry about it.

I sympathise.

Think you’ve answered the question that the US infrastructure is pants and so it appears this promotes this invention of rules justifying who should have priority which is the worst of human nature and effectively is the biggest gun or loudest shout wins ??‍

We have a range of charge-point ratings, ignoring “Superchargers” which strictly speaking are Tesla points we don’t use, yet, and don’t need TBF.

It really is first come, first serve and that seems the fairest thing.

Other etiquette should still prevail, such as don’t leave on a charger in demand over 80% etc.

If you’re not supposed to charge at outlets more powerful than your car, which seems to be then suggestion, the majority of charge points would be out of bounds for MMEs with charge rate potential of c110kWh because those at almost every MaccyDees, Costa, Starbucks, KFCs etc would be out of bounds for us as they’re usually 120kWh plus and usually 150kWh, virtually all the Ionity network would bar us from using them as they’re 350kWh.

 

[DevSecOps]

It really is first come, first serve and that seems the fairest thing.

Other etiquette should prevail, such as don’t leave on a charger in demand over 80% etc.

I see these as contradictory. Etiquette is more than just leaving it on a charger or demanding only 80%. In the example provided previously:

There's a 50kW unit and there's a 350kW unit. If a Bolt pulls up and both are open and he takes the 350kW, this means that someone with a MachE will be limited to 50kW. Both vehicles will charge slow, meaning it will cause the queue to backup.

I consider this to be inconsiderate to those waiting and the MachE driver. If the Bolt driver would have taken the 50kW, he would be complete at the same time, but the MachE driver would be complete 2x faster and the next person in line would get in 2x faster.

The only argument being made is, TRY to use a charger commensurate with your vehicles charging capacity because that's what's most considerate of other people.

 

[Teslaeata]

Context is important for me.

It’s a first world problem!

I wouldn’t even think that way.

People are dying in wars and worse.

My EV would just need another half hour on charge.

Id just get another coffee??‍

And I’m the one with no patience?

Suppose it makes a difference if your Nation’s charge network is up to the job in the first place.

There ain’t much in the UK that this last government ain’t screwed up entirely but EV charge infrastructure ain’t one of ‘em

 

[DevSecOps]

Context is important for me.

But you agree with the 80% SOC, when possible, being proper etiquette?

You realize that they are parallel arguments right?

The entire reason behind 80% SOC is because of time on the charger. It's not about anything else. Above 80% SOC you charge slow and therefore, if you don't need it, it's inconsiderate to others. Using the appropriate charger is the exact same argument. They are both about spending more time than necessary at a charger while preventing others from charging.

My EV would just need another half hour on charge.

Id just get another coffee

That's good for you, but that's still only thinking about yourself. One day a week I commute 6 hours (3 each way) for work. 6 hours driving and 8 working. Spending another 30 minutes away from my family at a sketchy Walmart at 10pm, when everything is closed, isn't my idea of fun. You shouldn't assume everyone is on a leisurely vacation.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I sympathise.

Think you’ve answered the question that the US infrastructure is pants and so it appears this promotes this invention of rules justifying who should have priority which is the worst of human nature and effectively is the biggest gun or loudest shout wins ??‍

We have a range of charge-point ratings, ignoring “Superchargers” which strictly speaking are Tesla points we don’t use, yet, and don’t need TBF.

It really is first come, first serve and that seems the fairest thing.

Other etiquette should still prevail, such as don’t leave on a charger in demand over 80% etc.

If you’re not supposed to charge at outlets more powerful than your car, which seems to be then suggestion, the majority of charge points would be out of bounds for MMEs with charge rate potential of c110kWh because those at almost every MaccyDees, Costa, Starbucks, KFCs etc would be out of bounds for us as they’re usually 120kWh plus and usually 150kWh, virtually all the Ionity network would bar us from using them as they’re 350kWh.

The argument is not that slower charging EVs aren't allowed to charge at faster stations, it's that if there is a choice, the slower charging EVs should use the slower charging station.

I guess it's like driving in the fast lane. If you're not going fast, then use the slower lane. Either way, you're arriving at your destination at the same time.

 

[Teslaeata]

You realize that they are parallel arguments right?

No. If I’m honest I don’t really give a shite.

And I’m really done with this post, enjoy imposing your views!

Spending another 30 minutes away from my family

Boo Hoo!

I go out at 6am, travel around 300 to 400 miles, examine cars forensically during 18-hour working days and if I have to charge at a 50kWh charger across from a Renault Zoe sitting on a 350kWh charger my kids throats haven’t just been slit by invaders, my house hasn’t just been bombed by an occupying nation, my hospital hasn’t just been destroyed by a Russian megalomaniac, I don’t share the need to alienate those whose charge rates are slower and the coffee tastes soooooo good from the Starbucks or MaccyDees.

Or is it just me??‍

Context is everything.

I love you anyway ?

Adios!

 

[RagingDork]

Once infrastructure gets better this stuff will go away. We just don’t have enough chargers in some places.

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