And so it begins...

[Johnny572]

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You talk crap then say please no hate... absolutely hilarious.

We've proven the difference between the units to be in the realm of seconds over 30-40 minutes. If you have data that proves otherwise please provide it. We would all love to be educated by your findings. Since you don't deal in what-ifs, we don't either. Proof or bust.

How is that talking crap? Don’t have to prove nothing to the charging police ?‍. But now I will only use 350 and smile at you on a 100! ?

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[DevSecOps]

How is that talking crap? Don’t have to prove nothing to the charging police ?‍. But now I will only use 350 and smile at you on a 100! ?

I'm surprised you don't drive a lifted truck.

 

[Johnny572]

I’m not surprised you live in your mothers basement. Which is perfectly fine.

 

[DevSecOps]

I’m not surprised you live in your mothers basement.

Sorry, we don't have basements in California, keep trying. I'm dead over here ? ?

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Maybe something from Ford included with the sales package might help

That's a really good idea AK. And yah, most people are too excited or nervous to retain much. Myself included.

Did you know I was stuck in the dealer lot for 15 full minutes trying to figure out how to put the car in drive (wasn't depressing the brake pedal ?). I had to walk back into the show room and ask someone to help me leave. ?

 

[Guss-E 2021]

OMG! Full Service Charging! ? Think about it. You pull in and a nice young person in a white shirt and red vest walks up. "Good day. I see you have a Mach-E. Your max charge rate is 150 kW. Please pull up to charger seven. Or, if you like, I can park for you and initiate the charge session. Moist towlette?" ?

 

[Teslaeata]

Not gonna lie, I never gave it any thought until reading this post. I suspect others don't give it any thought when pulling up to a charger. I will be more aware now.

THIS /\

If it’s free I’ll charge there!

“Why are EV people like this?” The article asks. Well, because they/we are from the same gene pool of all other motorists and general public??‍

 

[SWO]

We've proven the difference between the units to be in the realm of seconds over 30-40 minutes. If you have data that proves otherwise please provide it. We would all love to be educated by your findings. Since you don't deal in what-ifs, we don't either. Proof or bust.

I haven't seen that. Do you have a link?

ETA: I'm mostly curious. The difference seems greater to me anecdotally, but I also remember that the EGMP cars are only something like 7min faster on a 350 vs 150.

 

[SWO]

The only way to solve this is with higher fees for the faster chargers, or balanced chargers. Hopefully in a few years we have that and people will joke about the days when we had nerd fights over who should use the faster chargers.

That said, most of those faster charging cars also have "free" EA charging. I saw one youtube video where the driver of an Ioniq5 was lecturing the audience on keeping the 350s open for the fast cars. He was saying this standing in front of the charger he was using and you could clearly see he was at 90-something percent charging at less than 40kwh.

I don't think it's really a simple problem. There's too many variables for the average person to understand/care about for there to be simple etiquette.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I haven't seen that. Do you have a link?

ETA: I'm mostly curious. The difference seems greater to me anecdotally, but I also remember that the EGMP cars are only something like 7min faster on a 350 vs 150.

I have no link, but mine with similar charging conditions took a couple of minutes (i.e. less than 3) more to charge roughly the same amounts on a 150 EA vs a 350 EA. Totally anecdotal and I did not use a stopwatch, so there is a huge margin for error and variability there. ?‍?

 

[DevSecOps]

I haven't seen that. Do you have a link?

ETA: I'm mostly curious. The difference seems greater to me anecdotally, but I also remember that the EGMP cars are only something like 7min faster on a 350 vs 150.

It's in my first post on this topic.

This data was post charge curve. In my first year of ownership I, and many others, documented extensively the charge curve and, in general, almost all the charge data we have now. Nothing has changed since the post charge curve update. There's many more technical threads on this, including my thread when the charge curve was released. Believe it or not, there was a time when I wasn't so jaded.

Keep in mind that some people may think they notice a difference but ultimately the charge curve is controlled by the car, not the unit. Once the curve flattens out, there's nothing that an EA 150 can't provide over a EA 350. The car loves to sit at 300A before slowly tapering down. The EA 150 provides 375A max. For the first minute and a half the car requests, at max, 430A which is in excess of the 150 and where the 350 can provide power for that request. The total time savings is less that 30 seconds in delivered power before the car requests the amount capable by the 150 again.

 

[Alutacon]

This has been floating around Reddit for some time now. @breeves002 x-posted it as well on Reddit.

Personally, I have no idea where this idea of entitlement comes from that many people are claiming about the sign creator. It's about respect for others, not entitlement. The only people espousing entitlement are those selfish enough to think they shouldn't respect or be courteous to others by taking a unit way beyond their charging capacity when lower capacity units are available.

If you plug in a VW E-Golf to a 350kW unit that maxes at 50kW (when lower power units are available), that's just flat out rude and selfish (or uneducated - which is what the sign addresses). It's not the same as a gas pump as some others claim. Gas pumps are all the same, EV chargers are not.

So, I guess I'm an entitled prick (no surprise to many here) because I say if you own a Chevrolet Bolt EV/EUV, Hyundai Kona Electric, Nissan Leaf, Mazda MX-30, Mini Cooper SE, Smart EQ Fortwo, Volkswagen e-GOlf, Ford Transit EV etc you should first go for a 50kW and then a 150kW and then if none of those are open a 350kW.

If you own a MachE, you should look for a 150kW first and then if none are available a 350kW. For those of you who say "But we max the MME at 160kW and therefore we should use the 350kW", no stop being a selfish ass hat because you only save 25.2 seconds in an entire charge. I did the tests to prove it (here).

There's also a whole thing about chargers and their stated output capacities in the link above that I would recommend reading for those who don't understand how these chargers work. For the sake of this post the 50/150/350 units I referenced above would be using EA stations.

Here's the sign in question btw:

You seem quite passionate on this issue.

 

[DevSecOps]

The average ICE owner doesn't understand the physics or chemistry of octane either. They put any octane in and the car runs (pre-ignition detonation is controlled by ECU via knock sensors and octane sensor).

And the average EV owners doesn't need to understand physics. They only need to understand a number. Why are we making this so difficult?

Dealership: sir, you should charge at a 50kW and nothing higher because that's all this car will accept

Owner: understood, thank you.

 

[DevSecOps]

You seem quite passionate on this issue.

Why thank you!

 

[jeffMachE]

Simple answer is to vary charge by capacity. $0.30/kWh on a 50 kW, $0.40/kWh on a 150kW, and $0.50/kWh on a 350 kW (and maybe $0.60 on a future 600 kW).

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