Best Tire for the Mach E?

[Mirak]

I agree with you in every way!

I was going into winter with 3-4/32’s of tread left on tires that had gone 48,000 miles. It was the right time for new tires. I would have expected 1% or maybe 2% range loss with new tires. I just didn’t expect 6% loss. Others were saying that they had no range loss with these tires. I’m not complaining, I just made a bad choice.

I've got an appointment Saturday to replace my 50k balding OEM Michelin Primacy A/S set with the Hankook iON evo's. I'm recording some data to perform a rough before/after comparison.

My driving and climate control usage won't change much day-to-day in the week before and after, so as long as I exclude rainy days, taking a week's average should control for smaller variances.

I'm also going to take a few decibel readings on the same stretch of road during my morning commute, both before and after. Again, averaging should control for smaller variances.

Finally, I'll do a subjective comfort comparison immediately before and after. I've got a stretch of local road picked out with small expansion gaps every 100 feet or so (think regular "bum-bump" sound) that'll give me an indication of whether the new tires have any impact on ride comfort.

Basically, my OEMs are like a pair of soft moccasins at this point - they should be softer, quieter, and have less rolling resistance. Basically better in every way except... safety. If the new tires are at least pretty close, that would have to be a win I'd think.

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[rhougey]

I've got an appointment Saturday to replace my 50k balding OEM Michelin Primacy A/S set with the Hankook iON evo's. I'm recording some data to perform a rough before/after comparison.

My driving and climate control usage won't change much day-to-day in the week before and after, so as long as I exclude rainy days, taking a week's average should control for smaller variances.

I'm also going to take a few decibel readings on the same stretch of road during my morning commute, both before and after. Again, averaging should control for smaller variances.

Finally, I'll do a subjective comfort comparison immediately before and after. I've got a stretch of local road picked out with small expansion gaps every 100 feet or so (think regular "bum-bump" sound) that'll give me an indication of whether the new tires have any impact on ride comfort.

Basically, my OEMs are like a pair of soft moccasins at this point - they should be softer, quieter, and have less rolling resistance. Basically better in every way except... safety. If the new tires are at least pretty close, that would have to be a win I'd think.

I will be interested in your result. Virtually all of my data is measured on the same route, 230 miles at a time starting at 100%, at 75 mph on cruise, with the only variables being wind and temperature, which I track on every trip.

 

[rhougey]

Yes, you can check it with your OBDLink MX+. I am not sure what the OBD link app can show, but as thenew3 mentioned, CarScanner is a great app to use with the MME. It has the MME profile already included - you just have to load it up when you open the app. Open the predeveloped dashboards and scroll through them until you find the one that includes HVB SoH.

OK Mike, on page 13 on the Car Scanner app, I found my State of Health to be 91%. While that is obviously not 100%, I’m guessing that is fairly typical at 52,000 miles? So I’m sure my range these days is less than when the car was brand new. But unless there was some sort of coincidental decline at the same time as the tire change, it still wouldn’t completely explain an apparent drop in range from the three months before the tire change relative to the three months after. I am just trying to be purely analytical just as you are. Thanks for your input. Here’s a screen shot of the page 13. If you see anything that looks bad please let me know.

 

[Skyman63]

Has anyone ever looked into the Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 as an all season tire ? My primary focus would be to reduce noise and increase general level of comfort/smoothness of ride.

if you want Pirellis, you really need to check out the PZero AS plus 3. It will meet both of your conditions. I have them and love them.

 

[markboris]

if you want Pirellis, you really need to check out the PZero AS plus 3. It will meet both of your conditions. I have them and love them.

Yes, out of the tires I have tested, the Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 were the quietest and smoothest riding, second were the Pirelli Scorpion Zero AS Plus 3. The PLUS tires are not available in Europe and were made specifically for the US market to have a quiet, smooth ride.

 

[mkhuffman]

OK Mike, on page 13 on the Car Scanner app, I found my State of Health to be 91%. While that is obviously not 100%, I’m guessing that is fairly typical at 52,000 miles? So I’m sure my range these days is less than when the car was brand new. But unless there was some sort of coincidental decline at the same time as the tire change, it still wouldn’t completely explain an apparent drop in range from the three months before the tire change relative to the three months after. I am just trying to be purely analytical just as you are. Thanks for your input. Here’s a screen shot of the page 13. If you see anything that looks bad please let me know.

I am tracking the SoH of my battery. Sometimes it does drop sharply, but normally it is pretty gradual. The SoH of your HVB is very close to mine, and I am definitely seeing a 10% loss of range over new.

I need to update this chart, and will soon actually, but this is what I have seen.

 

[rhougey]

I am tracking the SoH of my battery. Sometimes it does drop sharply, but normally it is pretty gradual. The SoH of your HVB is very close to mine, and I am definitely seeing a 10% loss of range over new.

I need to update this chart, and will soon actually, but this is what I have seen.

I read last night that maybe I should have checked it with a full charge on the HVB. My SOC was 52%. I’ll try it again next time I go to 100.
My range was never that great even when new. It was 4 months before my GOM ever hit 300. I’ve always figured it was because 90% of my driving was always over 70 mph. Then of course Ford stretched the battery from 88 to 91% available and remapped the GOM metrics. I’ve had one time it hit 323.

 

[mkhuffman]

I read last night that maybe I should have checked it with a full charge on the HVB. My SOC was 52%. I’ll try it again next time I go to 100.
My range was never that great even when new. It was 4 months before my GOM ever hit 300. I’ve always figured it was because 90% of my driving was always over 70 mph. Then of course Ford stretched the battery from 88 to 91% available and remapped the GOM metrics. I’ve had one time it hit 323.

You need some 100% charges to help calibrate the SoH reading, but it isn't necessary to check the SoH when at 100%.

I always check the Energy to Empty (EtE) at 100% and divide that by the original capacity (91 kWh) to see how closely it aligns with the SoH. It is pretty close, usually. Sometimes I can get more EtE at 100% than the SoH predicts.

 

[rhougey]

You need some 100% charges to help calibrate the SoH reading, but it isn't necessary to check the SoH when at 100%.

I always check the Energy to Empty (EtE) at 100% and divide that by the original capacity (91 kWh) to see how closely it aligns with the SoH. It is pretty close, usually. Sometimes I can get more EtE at 100% than the SoH predicts.

Thank you, I’ll look at that when I charge to 100.
I get plenty of 100% charges, probably 1/3 of my charges are charging to 100 right before I leave for the cabin, and wind up at 3-5% at the other end. I never have had to stop to charge unless the wind or temps were bad, but now (after the new tires were installed), I have to stop for 5-7 kWh DCFC every time.

 

[Mark Hassa]

Anyone use a set of All Weather tires? I hate having to store a set of winter tires and rims.

 

[jeffMachE]

I just had my original tires ('21 Prem Ext AWD) replaced at 41K (I do run snows in the winter, so I estimate the stock tires got ~32K miles - there was a bit of tread left, but decided just to get the new tires when I pulled the snows off) with the Hankook Ion EVO AS SUV. Heading out to SLC tonight from Denver, so will get about 1200 miles on them by the time I get back on Monday. I've done this drive before, so I'll get some reasonable impressions. I don't have any exact data, but I have a pretty good general feel for what my range is on the highway and how the ride felt with the stock tires. I'll report back next week.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Anyone use a set of All Weather tires? I hate having to store a set of winter tires and rims.

I don’t have all weather tires but I recently changed to all season tires. They were a huge upgrade in the wet (my P Zero Summers were down to 5/32”). Since they’ve got 30mm more cross-section, they also grip better in the dry. We don’t get snow to speak of here and haven’t since I got the tires. ?‍?

 

[agoldman]

at the end of the day and with all respect to everyone trying to analyze all things tires, I don't think FORD is choosing the Mach e tire oem models by what's the best deal they can get. they are trying to squeeze out the best range and handling etc for marketing and customer satisfaction purposes, and so the current tire models are probably a good choice unless you want to weigh heavily towards comfort or range or performance at the expense of one or other of those. change just for change's sake isn't always justified.

 

[rhougey]

at the end of the day and with all respect to everyone trying to analyze all things tires, I don't think FORD is choosing the Mach e tire oem models by what's the best deal they can get. they are trying to squeeze out the best range and handling etc for marketing and customer satisfaction purposes, and so the current tire models are probably a good choice unless you want to weigh heavily towards comfort or range or performance at the expense of one or other of those. change just for change's sake isn't always justified.

I agree with this.

 

[jeffMachE]

at the end of the day and with all respect to everyone trying to analyze all things tires, I don't think FORD is choosing the Mach e tire oem models by what's the best deal they can get. they are trying to squeeze out the best range and handling etc for marketing and customer satisfaction purposes, and so the current tire models are probably a good choice unless you want to weigh heavily towards comfort or range or performance at the expense of one or other of those. change just for change's sake isn't always justified.

Respectfully disagree with this. I think the deal an OEM gets from a tire manufacturer is a big component of which tires they ship on the car. Yes, range and customer satisfaction are factored in, but ultimately, if they can save $15-$20 per tire and still have "acceptable" range and customer sat, they will absolutely choose to save the money. Stock tires change on cars over model years, even when there are relatively few changes to the cars. The decision to change "stock" tires by a manufacturer is heavily driven by economic considerations.

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