ChargePoint Discount

[Maric]

The difference in plugs is that one has a 'neutral' pin and the other does not.

The ChargePoint doesn't actually use the neutral pin ... so the option is there mostly for those who already have an outlet on the wall so they can get the charger with whatever plug fits the outlet ... without the need to change the outlet.

But neither the 14-50 nor the 6-50 are meant to for sustained use above 40 amps (the plug handles 50 amps... but shouldn't be used at that amperage for extended periods ... such as EV charging). They can be used for extended periods at 40 amps or less.

If you plan to use 48 amp charging (which the ChargePoint can handle) then ChargePoint wants you to remove the plug and wire it directly (they have a video showing how to do this ... it's pretty easy because the wiring inside the charger uses lever-locks ... instead of screws.)

Thank you! Great info.

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[Maric]

14-50 plug seems to be most common, and is the same as Ford's mobile charger. However, if you are planning to hardwire it, it really doesn't matter. Either 14-50 or 6-50 come off. I went with 14-50 and planning to hardwire.

Perfect. Once I figured out what they meant by hard wired I figured this was the case.

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

Wait a minute, the same flex device can do all the way up to 48A (and actually higher)?? Hardwired or plug in (for the respective currents)?

 

[ChasingCoral]

Wait a minute, the same flex device can do all the way up to 48A (and actually higher)?? Hardwired or plug in (for the respective currents)?

Yep. 15-50 A charging.

 

[highland58]

Perfect, thank you. This is what I needed. I appreciate the help. 99% certain I can go with 70A breaker. I'll have electrician confirm but I wanted to have as much info ready at hand as possible.

The difference between 48A and 50A would be only a one more mile of range added per hour. 37 vs 36 per the chargepoint website. I agree on the plug if you can only do a 50A. I have a 60A already in my panel so I will use it. Tomorrow is the second attempt, the electrician did not show up on Friday.

 

[shutterbug]

The difference between 48A and 50A would be only a one more mile of range added per hour. 37 vs 36 per the chargepoint website. I agree on the plug if you can only do a 50A. I have a 60A already in my panel so I will use it. Tomorrow is the second attempt, the electrician did not show up on Friday.

I also went with a 60A circuit because based on the quotes I got there was no price difference between 50A and 60A circuits, but I would have to pay $300-$400 more to go to 70A circuit. As I understand, MME charging is limited to 48A, there is no benefit to getting higher amperage.

 

[ChasingCoral]

The difference between 48A and 50A would be only a one more mile of range added per hour. 37 vs 36 per the chargepoint website. I agree on the plug if you can only do a 50A. I have a 60A already in my panel so I will use it. Tomorrow is the second attempt, the electrician did not show up on Friday.

Agreed. 48 vs 50A is noise. Unfortunately we only had 30A available in our box!

 

[ChasingCoral]

I also went with a 60A circuit because based on the quotes I got there was no price difference between 50A and 60A circuits, but I would have to pay $300-$400 more to go to 70A circuit. As I understand, MME charging is limited to 48A, there is no benefit to getting higher amperage.

Agreed. I'd never pay $300 to move from a 48A to a 50A charger. Whoever the Mach E is limited to 48A is still uncertain. I think that is correct but I'm not aware of us ever finding real specs on the upper end of the Mach E's L2 charging rate.

 

[shutterbug]

Agreed. I'd never pay $300 to move from a 48A to a 50A charger. Whoever the Mach E is limited to 48A is still uncertain. I think that is correct but I'm not aware of us ever finding real specs on the upper end of the Mach E's L2 charging rate.

I'm just guessing from the fact that Ford's charger is 48A. Also while most newer homes can accommodate a 60A circuit, going beyond it gets harder, so of little benefit to most customers. I think a while back Tesla sold cars with optional dual chargers, but found out that very few homes could accommodate that.

 

[eltonlin]

I wanted to go 60A for hardwired 48A with my chargepoint but alas my panel could safely support only 50A. Given that , I went with a 14-50 plug-in. Maximizes flexibility that’s for sure.

 

[nivlem]

Thanks guys, this is is a very good charger discussion. I am a little confused by the comparisons, however. I understand Ford provides a plug-in charger with the car (about 32 amps or so). I believe they will sell us a hardwired 48 amp charger for around $700.00. I am not considering a hardwired unit, so can you help me understand the advantages of the commercially available units vs the one that comes with the car. I was planning to use the one from Ford since it's "free". It seems that they provide similar (32 amp) charging as the Ford provided plug-in unit. Help?

 

[shutterbug]

Thanks guys, this is is a very good charger discussion. I am a little confused by the comparisons, however. I understand Ford provides a plug-in charger with the car (about 32 amps or so). I believe they will sell us a hardwired 48 amp charger for around $700.00. I am not considering a hardwired unit, so can you help me understand the advantages of the commercially available units vs the one that comes with the car. I was planning to use the one from Ford since it's "free". It seems that they provide similar (32 amp) charging as the Ford provided plug-in unit. Help?

If the mobile charger that is included suits you, stick with it. If you aren't interested in hardwired, other units can be set to 40A. you also would need to make sure that your house can accommodate more amperage. Also, to use Ford's included charger you need a 40A circuit and a Nema 14-50 receptacle. With a standard household 110V receptacle, you will only be able to charge at about 3 miles of range per hour. If you don't have a 220V outlet near where you park, I suggest you ask an electrician to give you an estimate for installing a 40A circuit with Nema 14-50 receptacle near where the driver's door is.

Personal note: get a few quotes from licensed electricians. The ones I got varied by 80%.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Thanks guys, this is is a very good charger discussion. I am a little confused by the comparisons, however. I understand Ford provides a plug-in charger with the car (about 32 amps or so). I believe they will sell us a hardwired 48 amp charger for around $700.00. I am not considering a hardwired unit, so can you help me understand the advantages of the commercially available units vs the one that comes with the car. I was planning to use the one from Ford since it's "free". It seems that they provide similar (32 amp) charging as the Ford provided plug-in unit. Help?

There's nothing wrong with just using the one that comes with the car as long as it charges sufficiently for your needs. For most people it will be fast enough. The other reason to buy another is convenience. It will get tiresome coming the cord and putting it away in the back of the car or Frunk every day. It's nice to have a unit on the wall you leave in place. Plugging and unplugging takes almost no time. It's also good to know you have it in the car in case you need an emergency charge. Thus, the advantage of having two. However, the second doesn't have to be hard-wired. It can be another portable unit. that uses the same 14-50 outlet.

 

[generaltso]

Wait a minute, the same flex device can do all the way up to 48A (and actually higher)?? Hardwired or plug in (for the respective currents)?

Yup. That's why they called it the Flex. Because it's Flexible. I really don't understand why anyone would pay more for the Ford charger.

 

[generaltso]

99% certain I can go with 70A breaker.

There's really no reason to go with a 70A breaker, which would require even thicker wire. Just go with 60A. That will give you the full 48A charging speed of the Mach-E.

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