Disable Backup Beeping?

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Alternative TLDR: (for @xXCheXx )
Don’t disable the backup sound because a bunch of interweb lawyers say that if the backup camera, mirrors, backup obstacle warning tone, and automatic collision avoidance braking don’t stop you from backing over a blind person, then you’ll be saved by the fact that it was beeping like a Tow Truck. When in court you can say, “Yes judge, I know the car automatically applied applied the brakes, but I had a warning tone going so I knew nothing was behind me. So without looking, I gave it more gas. Not my fault,” and you’ll be saved.
If you choose to ignore this sage advice, you can muffle the speaker by putting cardboard or foam between the speaker and grill, which is located under the car just midline of the driver’s side front tire. Or you can disable the speaker entirely by unplugging it and bridging the blade connectors with a 5 watt 4.7 ohm resistor.

also edited the first post for you.

yeah, that's a much more valid summary. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

oops my eyes rolled out of my head

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[GoGoGadgetMachE]

ps since there's been repeated insistence on this thread that there is no mandate - about 30 seconds of googling with Bing found it: 49 CFR § 571.141 - Standard No. 141; Minimum Sound Requirements for Hybrid and Electric Vehicles. | CFR | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

 

[Woeo]

ps since there's been repeated insistence on this thread that there is no mandate - about 30 seconds of googling with Bing found it: 49 CFR § 571.141 - Standard No. 141; Minimum Sound Requirements for Hybrid and Electric Vehicles. | CFR | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

I don’t think the owner is an entity subject to the authority of the NHTSA.

S8 Prohibition on altering the sound of a vehicle subject to this standard. No entity subject to the authority of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration may:

(a) Disable, alter, replace, or modify any element of a vehicle installed as original equipment for purposes of complying with this Standard, except in connection with a repair of a vehicle malfunction or to remedy a defect or non-compliance; or

(b) Provide any person with any mechanism, equipment, process, or device intended to disable, alter, replace, or modify the sound emitting capability of a vehicle subject to this standard, except in connection with a repair of vehicle malfunction or to remedy a defect or non-compliance

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

I don’t think the owner is an entity subject to the authority of the NHTSA.

S8 Prohibition on altering the sound of a vehicle subject to this standard. No entity subject to the authority of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration may:

(a) Disable, alter, replace, or modify any element of a vehicle installed as original equipment for purposes of complying with this Standard, except in connection with a repair of a vehicle malfunction or to remedy a defect or non-compliance; or

(b) Provide any person with any mechanism, equipment, process, or device intended to disable, alter, replace, or modify the sound emitting capability of a vehicle subject to this standard, except in connection with a repair of vehicle malfunction or to remedy a defect or non-compliance

The "owner" bit was never brought up. The argument - back on page 1! - was that there was no federal requirement to make the noise at all:

Disable Backup Beeping? | Ford Mustang Mach-E Forum - MachEforum.com

but that is wrong; there is a requirement. I just took the 30 seconds to find it.

There was also a statement that no other EV does this - but that's also wrong; the Kia Niro does this, for one thing:

Beeping in reverse? | Kia Niro Forum

That thread actually explains the 2018 PHEV does it as well, basically anticipating the rule.

anyway ultimately every owner can do what they want with their car. But that doesn't change that Ford was legally required to have the car do it, and the requirement is there for a reason.

 

[dml105]

Maybe it’s possible that this beep is louder on some copies than on mine, but holy smokes, the reaction here seems hyperbolic. One guy even said the beep causes him pain. Yet, I can only hear mine if I have the windows down. The garage door is louder.

Maybe someone who is complaining can record it and post it so the rest of us know what you’re dealing with?

 

[Davedough]

I don’t know if I’m more grossed out by the flagrant disregard for people with disabilities or the fact that @GoGoGadgetMachE uses Bing

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

I don’t know if I’m more grossed out by the flagrant disregard for people with disabilities or the fact that @GoGoGadgetMachE uses Bing

 

[jhalkias]

I don’t know if I’m more grossed out by the flagrant disregard for people with disabilities or the fact that @GoGoGadgetMachE uses Bing

Tough call that.

 

[Murse-In-Airy]

Ah yes. Flagrant disregard. Now we’ve got hyperbole. I’ve got 4 redundant safety features to keep me from hitting people, animals, or even bicycles that my kids leave in the driveway. But if I don’t want my car to beep when backing up, I have flagrant disregard for for people who can’t see well. Got it.

 

[Davedough]

Ah yes. Flagrant disregard. Now we’ve got hyperbole. I’ve got 4 redundant safety features to keep me from hitting people, animals, or even bicycles that my kids leave in the driveway. But if I don’t want my car to beep when backing up, I have flagrant disregard for for people who can’t see well. Got it.

Lol wow settle down, I was going for impact on the Bing joke. Maybe step outside for a sec

 

[jhalkias]

Ah yes. Flagrant disregard. Now we’ve got hyperbole. I’ve got 4 redundant safety features to keep me from hitting people, animals, or even bicycles that my kids leave in the driveway. But if I don’t want my car to beep when backing up, I have flagrant disregard for for people who can’t see well. Got it.

Keep in mind the beeping is not for YOU to avoid a sight impaired person. It is for them to avoid YOU.

 

[Murse-In-Airy]

Lol wow settle down, I was going for impact on the Bing joke. Maybe step outside for a sec

In that case, I apologize. I missed the emphasis. I can admit that. ?

 

[Murse-In-Airy]

Lol wow settle down, I was going for impact on the Bing joke. Maybe step outside for a sec

And I did think the Bing joke was good.

 

[Mirak]

let me summarize: "I'm annoyed by a federally mandated noise so screw blind people; you can hack in a resistor to bypass all that pesky safety nonsense or shove in some kind of blocker. It's all about me, me, me!"

What does message board virtue signaling feel like? I imagine it’s like a sip of warm hot chocolate while snuggling a puppy. Is that about right?

 

[shadowsjc]

And where is the push to require noise emitters on bicycles, which are far quieter than even the stealthiest EV and just as potentially dangerous at high speed

Momentum = mass x velocity

A Mach-E is two orders of magnitude more massive than a bicycle. Even if it's going relatively slowly, it'll do more damage to a pedestrian than a bicycle.

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