Do you really know your car?

[Murse-In-Airy]

I’ve seen my Mach-e hit 168kw a couple times. In my area EA charges by the kWh so which stall I use doesn’t matter for cost. So If there are multiple 350 stalls open, I’ll use one.

As one of the very early owners of a Mach-E, I was one of the very few using CCS stalls at all. So last year, I’d hit the 350 every time. Now, as some of these other cars show up, I’ll avoid the 350 if it’s the only one, knowing the 1-2 minutes I might save overall isn’t worth being impolite. But if there are two 350 stalls open, I’ll use one. I imagine even that will change before too much longer as more of the other cars begin to show.

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[mccdeuce]

Maybe my understanding is flawed. I know that the MME maxes out at 150kWh.

If prices are all the same, and a 350 is open I will take a 350, because while the car will go to 150ish Max, I believe that a 350kWh station is more likely to deliver 150, than a 150 station. This is based on my limited DCFC experience, where I typically see 90 out of a 150 station.

All that said, if a vehicle capable of 350 is in need, I will be a courteous driver/human being and move if needed.

 

[i8iridium]

If I had a car that could charge over 150, and someone with a MME was in a 350 space, it wouldn't bother me. I've never been in such a hurry that it required me to ask someone to stop their charge and move.

Moreover, if I pulled up in my MME and there was only one stall and it was a 350, I would stay and charge until I was finished. If a 150 opened up while I was in the middle of my charge, I'm not moving until I'm finished. Even if someone asked me. The time saved is negligible for me to go through unhooking, moving and all that. I likely wouldn't be there anyway. I'd be walking my dog or getting a sandwich. You know, making use of my time. ?

 

[ctenidae]

I'll admit it, I didn't know the MME tops out at 150. Guess it never came up. I'll stick to 150's now that I know that, though.

/learn something new everyday!

 

[Maquis]

I’ve seen my Mach-e hit 168kw a couple times. In my area EA charges by the kWh so which stall I use doesn’t matter for cost. So If there are multiple 350 stalls open, I’ll use one.

As one of the very early owners of a Mach-E, I was one of the very few using CCS stalls at all. So last year, I’d hit the 350 every time. Now, as some of these other cars show up, I’ll avoid the 350 if it’s the only one, knowing the 1-2 minutes I might save overall isn’t worth being impolite. But if there are two 350 stalls open, I’ll use one. I imagine even that will change before too much longer as more of the other cars begin to show.

Exactly. In my travels, I’ve rarely seen another car charging at a DCFC. I use the 350 every time for the slight gain in speed. I’ve also hit 168. I’ll also say that I’ve never seen 150 when using a 150, I think 142 was the max. So an MME certainly can benefit form using a 350.
But to answer the original question, if there was only 1 350 available, I would yield to a car that could better utilize it. It might cost me 5 minutes at most.

 

[AKgrampy]

I know for myself my question would be “Do you know your chargers?. One DCFC in town which I think is 50kW. Only charge at home at this time. A few chargers being installed in the 350 miles to Anchorage so may try a drive in the future. Will need to learn how to tell them apart in the future.

 

[DYohn]

Even when traveling the interstates I have never seen more than one or two other EVs at charging stations at the same time. I take whatever is available.

 

[The Black Horse]

I just want to put out there that I traded in my MME for an EV6 last month and every time I’ve tried to hit up a 350 stall, It seems that an MME owner (I mean I’ve had an ID4 try it and they were cool once I explained it to them) is on it and trying to DCFC. Typically all the 150’s will all be open. I’m very polite, talk to them about our cars, small talk etc. it seems like when the subject of charging comes up they are completely oblivious to the fact of how their car charges. The responses are typically pretty rude like “we’ll I’ve been doing it on these 350’s my entire trip and it works just fine.” or “I haven’t had any issues” Drives me absolutely bonkers. Even my friend who’s thinking about getting an EV is like “that’s messed up”. My EV6 is grounded to 150kw stalls since “bigger number better”.

If me and those cars all pull up to a charging station at the same time then I would def let them get the 350.

If I pull up alone I'm grabbing whichever is easier for me to pull in and charge since it's hard to finagle the car around to make the port go near the charger. It would be odd for me to go out of my way to help nobody right?

I have had it happen where I pull up and the only one available is the 350. I will grab it, and when you pull in with your EV6 you will look at me like an a-hole. Can't make everyone happy all the time but lets all def try to continue to learn and try to have as much etiquette as possible.

 

[PilotMark]

If I had the choice when I pulled up I'd go for the 150.

I don't know the answer to this.

If the 350 more likely to deliver 150 to my MME than a 150 rated charger?

Have any of the longer term owners charged on 150 and 350 to know the comparisions?

Thanks

 

[MarkP213]

I will have to pay better attention. When I charge at the EA station up in the Sierras, I usually pull up to one of thea350’s and charge at around 145 or so. But last time, there was a guy using one of the 350’s so I used the 150 on the end, and the max output was in the 90’s. Weather was good both times, not extremely hot. Driving 65/70. ?‍

 

[ZuleMME]

It largely depends on the CCS stall. I’ve seen plenty of 150’s that WAY WAY underrun and typically I move to a 350 if thats the case. Once I even moved to the ChaDeMo unit trying to get one that worked. In general try to be generous and use the 150s first. If they are failed or running slow its fair game to move. If someone else comes that needs it consider moving depending on the circumstances. Done.

That said, Mach-E’s can charge a pinch over 150kw. That does NOT matter because the 150kw stalls can also run a BIGGER pinch over 150kw due to our lower voltage packs. Both if properly functioning and reasonable temperatures are met will run at full speed.

 

[Mach-Lee]

If the station was empty I'd use the 350 kW dispenser. If one 350 kW was already in use then I'd use the 150 kW dispenser. That way you always leave a 350 open if an 800V car shows up.

Mach-E does charge slightly faster on a 350kW because of the higher current limit (500A vs. 350A).

It's similar logic to leaving the CHAdeMO open for Leafs unless all the other dispensers are in use.

 

[Triggerhappy007]

If I had the choice when I pulled up I'd go for the 150.

I don't know the answer to this.

If the 350 more likely to deliver 150 to my MME than a 150 rated charger?

Have any of the longer term owners charged on 150 and 350 to know the comparisions?

Thanks

There's a guy on reddit that posted he uses the 350kW because it charges faster for the ER battery, about 4 minutes faster to 80%. I think he said it maxes out closer to 180 kW on 350 and 160 kW on 150. On the standard battery, it doesn't make any difference so those with the standard battery, please only use 150 kW unless it's all full.

 

[ebeponyan]

As others have pointed out, Mach-Es with the big battery do benefit from 350kW stations, though not to the degree that an 800V car would. Unless one pulled in at roughly the same time as me, I would charge at a 350kW station. If one pulled in and I wasn't within a minute or two of finishing, I would offer to swap. Same goes if there was a line and a 350kW station opened up at my turn, I'd take it and offer to swap if a 150 opened up after. It's worth mentioning that similar courtesy applies to yielding a 150 with ChaDeMo to a leaf if another CCS opens up.

The most important part is to be reasonable and understanding with your fellow EV drivers. I had to break up a fight today when a guy in an Ioniq PHEV (yes, a car that doesn't even fast charge) was about to throw hands after trying to swoop in and steal a plug from an EA station that was not quite done charging an i3. The i3 driver ended up heading out with with a cooler head than most who drive under the BMW badge. The audacity, ignorance and haste for violence in a Target parking lot was stunning, but I got to gleefully watch the aggressor fumble around with his charge port for a while before giving up. I would have told any reasonable driver that there were free Volta L2s one parking lot over.

EDIT: the above assumes I'm in a hurry like initial scenario outlines, and likely hanging out at my car while charging. If I were just shopping or popping into the Ellensburg Taco Bell for a Cheesy Gordita Crunch, I would take the 150.

 

[AZBill]

Even when traveling the interstates I have never seen more than one or two other EVs at charging stations at the same time. I take whatever is available.

I charged twice today with full chargers and others waiting.

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