Elon's Prediction

[Ghost Ryder]

Have you watched Wall-E?

We will be fine. Maybe we end up super fat though!

They would have perfected liposuction by then. If not, we'll all be living in a VR world anyway.

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[Ghost Ryder]

Since you have both a Model Y and MME, which would you buy now, having owned both? I'm having trouble deciding between a Model Y and a MME Premium AWD ER. I'd relly like to know your opinion!

It really depends on what's important to you. I have both. They're both fine cars. I like the look of the MME GTPE more, but I don't dislike the MY.

If it was my very first electric car, I would go with Tesla. It has a better record and have more support. You'll be less likely to ditch electric cars altogether when something goes wrong and the dealer can't figure out how to fix it. or waiting for Ford to put out an OTA which may takes months if not longer to address.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Closet Elon fanboys coming out of the woodwork in this thread

If by fanboy, you mean appreciating someone's success and contribution to society, then yes call me a fanboy.

I don't like some of his personal lifestyle decisions, like having >8 kids with multiple women or his drug use, but I can separate the two.

Same way I can appreciate music. Take rock for example. There are no bands that I can think of that I would condone their lifestyle, but I still listen to their music.

 

[Mach1E]

He made money by selling Tesla stocks when it was over 400/share to fund Twitter's acquisition. Until he sells Twitter or it goes bankrupt, it's all paper money. So the jury is out on whether it was a good investment or not.

As far as SpceX goes, They did not expect it to make it into orbit. Even the announcer gave it <30% of making it into orbit. So, yes, they expected it to fail at some point. That's how they operate. Their mentality is that they would advance quicker through failure than waiting to perfect everything before testing. If you look at all their other launches and landing, there were multiple "failures" before they got it right. Now, they're on track for 100 successful launches this year alone. For reference, no other agency had >50/year. And that was back in the 70's.

Lol- clap and rebrand it a “rapid unscheduled disassembly.”

But remember, it’s still “unscheduled.”

You will have failures. You can learn from failures.

But you can’t call them anything other than “failures.” Only an insane narcissist would force his employees to pretend to be happy and clap when a rocket explodes.

 

[thekat03]

And water is wet. Of course, wealthy people have greater resources than less wealthy people. But that doesn't mean less wealthy people can't succeed. And by working hard, you set up your kids for success because they will have advantages that you didn't. That's how it works. Or you can be lazy, complain that the rich are keeping everyone down, expect the government to provide for you, and pass that mentality to your kids. And they too, will be poor both financially and in spirit.

It's funny how all these studies never mention the immigrants from Africa and Asia who seem to excel when they get here.

As one of those Asian Americans from a refugee immigrant family, I am very well aware of how some of us can excel, even when starting with no financial wealth to speak of. However, I also am aware of the nonmonetary resources that helped give me a leg up. I mostly note the wealth thing as part of why I am not as impressed with Elon Musk's financial success, because he had a fair amount of starting wealth to work with. But I also don't judge people based on their wealth so much as on their actions and on how they treat others.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Lol- clap and rebrand it a “rapid unscheduled disassembly.”

But remember, it’s still “unscheduled.”

You will have failures. You can learn from failures.

But you can’t call them anything other than “failures.” Only an insane narcissist would force his employees to pretend to be happy and clap when a rocket explodes.

No one forced anything. But they were cheering in the control room when it exploded. This tells me that they were happy with the outcome and the launch met or exceeded their expectations.

When Challenger exploded, I don't recall NASA's control room cheering.

 

[Auto Motive]

Since you have both a Model Y and MME, which would you buy now, having owned both? I'm having trouble deciding between a Model Y and a MME Premium AWD ER. I'd relly like to know your opinion!

For me its my ev muscle GTPE. But my wife and I actually like the Y as its really a luxury ev minimalistic is nice, excellent tech, up grade acousric glass, new suspension, better seat bolstering and fit and finish perfect. Add in the supercharging network that is everwhere adding 140 to 160 miles in 15 minutes is the star especially for trips and no anxiety on charging. The price and range is spectacular. We achieve 300 miles highway at 65 mph with air on or 275 miles at 70. Sport ev for me and travel ev for us.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

As one of those Asian Americans from a refugee immigrant family, I am very well aware of how some of us can excel, even when starting with no financial wealth to speak of. However, I also am aware of the nonmonetary resources that helped give me a leg up. I mostly note the wealth thing as part of why I am not as impressed with Elon Musk's financial success, because he had a fair amount of starting wealth to work with. But I also don't judge people based on their wealth so much as on their actions and on how they treat others.

I'm not sure how much starting capital he had, but even if it was 1 billion dollars (which I highly doubt), it's still pretty impressive what he has achieved with Tesla and Space X. Even NASA with the full funding and backing of the US Gov't couldn't launch as many or as cheaply as SpaceX. And it's not even close.

Or how about Tesla? He essentially Ushered in the EV revolution.

I'm not telling you who you should be impressed by, but damn, that's pretty high standards if you're not impressed by his achievements. Whether you like him personally or not.

 

[Scooby24]

 

[Mach1E]

No one forced anything. But they were cheering in the control room when it exploded. This tells me that they were happy with the outcome and the launch met or exceeded their expectations.

When Challenger exploded, I don't recall NASA's control room cheering.

To your second point about Challenger- they had an appropriate response to a rocket explosion.

The only explanation for the cheering at SpaceX is either the room is full of insane people (possible but unlikely) or their wacko of a leader tells them to put on a show.

Zero people wanted it to blow up. They knew it could, but would have a normal happy cheering reaction if it didn’t. Any cheering for an expensive exploding failure is fake and forced.

Ever forced a smile or cheered for something at work because your boss wanted to “be on board,” even though you thought it was nuts?

I get that it probably had the 2nd best outcome.

But you pity clap when your team comes in 2nd place. 1st place results in a natural cheer.

 

[Socalsp3]

Look, you do you but it doesn't matter why you hate him, I never said it was because of his money. Personally, I am avidly against drugs and Elon uses. I wouldn't be friends with the guy and I don't agree with his choices, but it's his life and I don't have to follow him on X, listen to him or be around him.

There's a lot of people in this world I disagree with, including Donald, Hunter and Joe, but I don't let them live in my head. Coming on a forum and saying these wild things about random people who you don't even know is just strange. I recognize Elon for the things he's done and what I don't agree with I don't let bother me. I don't think it's healthy to focus on so much hate for someone. That doesn't make us fanboys, it makes us realists.

Sounds like a true fanboy to me. Admiring his successes and ignoring what a POS human he is.

 

[DevSecOps]

The only explanation for the cheering at SpaceX is either the room is full of insane people (possible but unlikely) or their wacko of a leader tells them to put on a show.

I think he's referring to the Super Heavy attempt. It was said before the launch that they weren't even expecting it to leave the pad. So, from my understanding the cheer was in reaction to the fact that it accomplished more than they thought it would.

 

[Enemies_Of_Carlotta]

Any increases in costs due to labor will partly be offset as batteries get cheaper to make and more efficient. And I'll just say it right here -- I don't like hearing anti-auto worker talk on here. Ford makes a LOT of money. The workers need to live and love making our cars. Show some respect and support!

 

[ChasingCoral]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ead-to-detroit-three-s-bankruptcies#xj4y7vzkg

I'm sure Elon will be heart broken if his prediction of the Big 3 demise comes true. But, if the results of a strike settlement raises the price of EVs $3,000-$5,000 won't bode well for a product that majority of consumers cannot afford. Cost of EV manufacturing will eventually come down but we aren't seeing yet. Of course, it's hard to differentiate reality and strike rhetoric.

Yeah, and a Tesla will be able to drive across the country with no input from the driver by the end of 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024.

 

[mkhuffman]

I hate on Elon because because he's a douche not because he's rich. I'd still hate him if he wasn't rich. There are plenty of rich successful people I don't hate. And yes you can be successful without being a douche.

Such a reasoned and thoughtful critique of the man. I am thoroughly impressed.

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