Ford has huge inventory of Mach E

[TheSteelRider]

Yes, driving uphill can reduce an electric vehicle's (EV) range. When an EV climbs a hill, the motor has to work harder to overcome resistance, which uses more energy and reduces the car's range.

This is true of any vehicle, regardless of the source of it's locomotion (e.g., ICE vs. hybrid vs. BEV vs. Flintstones). But, what goes up must come down, and EVs can recover more energy on the downhill (from regen) than an ICE vehicle can, because and ICE vehicle can only shed excess kinetic energy via heat extraction (e.g, brakes).

So, hills are not that bad for EVs, assuming you are not going to just drive up in elevation literally forever (which you won't because Earth = round).

I would recommend watching a few of TFL's "Ike gauntlet challenge" and they demonstrate really well the concept of downhill regen. For examplem I picked this random one. Start at timestamp = 5:00 to see just the downhill portion. See 7:10 specifically where they are explaining downhill regen.

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[RickMachE]

@leeman, you keep posting negative threads. You should sell your Mach-E and end your agony.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Agreed. Facts are facts. Unless you care too share with us your inside sources within Hertz that show how your points are facts, Then they are just your opinions. You, of course, have a right to your own opinions.

 

[Logal727]

As far as Tesla is concerned, one look at the Tesla market cap and you can see the answer. They literally have to ship units because the stockholders will not accept them slipping on growth. Their stock price is wayyy over inflated and they're probably scared shitless because even they know the competition is catching up. So dropping the prices and killing the competition out of the door was their main strategy.

Look at it from this lens. Tesla's market cap is nearly 700 Billion meanwhile the whole auto industry's market cap combined is less than that. If competition catches up, that means either the auto industry is way undervalued or Tesla stock is way overvalued. My bet is on the latter and even they know that shit. So it would mean a bloodbath for them if another competitor comes in and starts shipping similar number of cars at a similar price.

Already happening in China

 

[tuminatr]

Yes they do, so much so that it's 2024, and you can't order or buy a 2024 Mach E.

 

[woody]

1) Who'd a thunk it? A car rental company selling cars.
2)Where does FORD keep this mythical inventory? For the last half century or so car dealerships have held inventories.....
3) I thought Tesla was able to circumvent the dealership model. Is that magic, imagination, or something else?
4) Will automobile manufacturers using the dealership model be able to compete with those companies who have found a way to not use the dealership model?

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Ford sold 40,771 Mustang Mach-E's last year. The number of days it will take to sell 23,275 more of them depends on how aggressively Ford and their dealerships want to price them, but I doubt it will take a year. Regardless of how long that takes, measuring a number of cars in how many days or years it might possibly take to sell them is silly.

Days on Hand? It’s a common inventory metric.

 

[KevinS]

I see so many cars sitting unsold on car lots around me -- not just EVs. I think dealers really screwed themselves over with their ADM bullshit in 22/23. And then there's interest rates.

The general feeling now is that cars are too expensive and general reliability of vehicles is good enough that many people can milk a few more years out of one if they need to. That's a lot of what I think is going on right now.

Check out surveys though of consumers who say their next car will be an electric (or hybrid.) The future for EVs is in good shape on a longer timeline.

 

[GrantK]

Well in a few years all you will be able. to purchase new in CA are BEV’s so at some point demand will catch back up.

This is something we need to be better at communicating, it is not true that CA is mandating EVs.

For 2035, CA is mandating “zero emission vehicles” (ZEV) in the car and light duty truck class, not battery electric vehicles. The legal definition of ZEV is wide here and includes plug in hybrid vehicles (think Ram Charger) along with other technologies like hydrogen.

In particular the heavy duty rigs used for towing (which is everyones favourite whinge) are not limited here and have a longer window (2045) to allow for technological advances.

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/california-moves-accelerate-100-new-zero-emission-vehicle-sales-2035

 

[DaMeatMan]

I read another report yesterday that Ford motor company has been suffering from electrifying . It seems that there is now almost a years worth of inventory for the Mach E . This is sad news for folks that have paid high dollar amounts for their cars now that they have started to discount them I have been monitoring a local dealer and in the last three months they've sold two and still have over 50 in stock. I've also noticed that if the lightning vehicles are getting purchased. I wonder what this means for electric vehicles in general. My thoughts are that if they don't reduce the battery size by half and have a sustainable infrastructure for charging quickly it seems that a lot of these vehicles will end up on the scrap heap. I came to this conclusion after seeing thousands of Teslas it look like they weren't even damaged but we're totaled I guess if a car gets hit just right in the suspension next to the battery pan they basically totaled the car cause it's too expensive to fix this leaves thousands of cars for parts which I guess is good and bad although most manufactures will not warranty parts that are not originally manufactured or replaced with new if they are certified refurbished they still won't warranty them the company that certified them would but their warranty is generally a lot less than the manufacturer warranty what do they do with all these cars do they sit and rock or does somebody actually know what to do with them other than taking the motors out and electrifying VW's etc.

Moreover rental car companies are now returning their electric vehicles complaining that customers aren't renting them and their high repairs etc. is making them not a viable rental option. This coming directly from I believe Hertz.

The other thing I've noticed is here in California they had what they call a diamond lane which means if you were a environmentally friendly vehicle you could drive in those lanes unfortunately capitalism has stepped in and now made a lot of these roads fast track. Which means that even if you are in a admire mentally friendly supposedly vehicle you have to cough up some form of payment to drive in these diamond lanes now call Fastrack this just happened in Orange County there are still many lanes to use but they are going to be disappearing overtime . This is one of the convenience functions of owning a environment friend friendly vehicle to be able to utilize time saving.

If there is no time savings or monetary savings knowing that most people won't drive these cars enough to make them carbon neutral for quite a while what is the real advantage of a battery power vehicle other than slapping your brain back in your skull?

I found that a lot of the technology is wonderful but I don't tend to watch videos in my car play games or want to sit in my car for a long period of time waiting for it to charge. That being said the other challenge of course is finding a charger that works and that you don't have to wait anywhere up to an hour hour and a half here in Orange County in LA to actually get your vehicle charged that's not to say that there are plenty of slow chargers but that just means you're better off charging at . The incentives that the government provides don't seem to be enough to make it viable everybody seems to be losing money the customer the people manufacturing it and the governments that are funding it they can't afford to. Does anybody have any thoughts on this to why they are a viable alternative they've tried this so many times before and through marketing they've got a few of us but I don't know if that reality that they have pushed is real.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it and here's why. For starters being an early adopter of anything, be it new technology, or a brand new product, you are just going to have to accept a couple of truths.

1) Your going to pay a premium, because production rates are low, amd demand is likely extremely high for very limited supply.

2) Your going to face challenges. Either from a technical or mechanical perspective, there will be issues since this is a brand new product, and your going to need to be ready and willing to deal with then until they get worked out.

3) Eventually supply catches up to demand. This may because production has ramped up significantly. It could be because the initial fad and demand that comes from an interesting new product has started to wain. Or it could be that persistent demand beyond just the early adopters was a bit over estimated. Or it can be a combination of all of these.

Having said all that I will say this. I've been an early adopter of new products and technology for the majority of my adult life, and I can tell you that the sky is NOT falling. EV's are not going to die, and neither is demand going to go away for EV's altogether. There will be a supply demand imbalance for some time as market and suppliers find a balance.

We've seen this before, and we'll see this again. It may be new to you, but it's not a new phenomenon. Remember when the first flat-screen TV's were like $10k or more? Can you imagine paying that much for a TV? Someone did, and you can thank those early adopters for funding the initial ramp up of a very new disruptive technology. Today though I see 50" - 60" flat screens selling for a couple hundred bucks at my grocery store! Lol.. and you can find this technology everywhere for incredibly cheap!

That said, a car is NOT an investment. If you buy one thinking that it is, your going to be sorely disappointed the second you drive off the lot because it's value just fell. You should not feel cheated, or "stolen from" knowing that you paid more yesterday, than someone did today. You paid the price that was NECESSARY to get the product (at the time that you wanted it) based on regular free market supply and demand fundamentals, and nothing more.

At the end of the day nothing has changed with the product you initially bought that brought you so much joy the day you bought it. It's still the same product, drive it, enjoy it, and use a car as it should be used, and don't worry about price. If you are really that worried about price nd you have that much buyers remorse, it's very likely you couldn't afford it to begin with, and you probably should not have bought it. Thats no one's faukt but your own because you decided to pull the trigger on the purchase. You can drive yourself mad focusing on the price others are paying, but like I often tell my wife, once your done shopping, (your dome shopping), stop looking at the price, enjoy what you bought and move on with your life lol! ?

 

[TheSteelRider]

But Hertz is replacing that EV fleet with ICEV stating EV are more expensive to maintain. That is the basis of why it is news.

Right but that is just business. They discovered one type of vehicle has lower margins therefore they are adjusting their mix. FWIW, it's a sound business decision.

But people aren't businesses. What is good for Hertz isn't necessarily good for individuals. It's the click bait insinuation that because Hertz is making a sound business decision that means EVs are bad and will fail.

People don't buy cars to generate a profit (ok besides Turo), they buy them to drive, and largely cost be damned. If Hertz decided that they are only going to rent Kia Forte's would.that mean that Ford F-150s are going to be discontinued because nobody will buy them now that Hertz doesn't have any in their fleet If course not that is silly just like the click bait articles.

 

[RickMachE]

For those that say there are too many cars on dealers lots:

My former dealer has 729 vehicles showing in his inventory. He also have 28 in transit and 95 on on order.

Courtesy of the Wayback Machine, on May 2, 2018, it had 1,732 vehicles (no breakdown)...

Bill Brown Ford, currently the largest Ford dealer in the country, has 607 in stock, 10 in transit, and 102 on order. On Jan 17, 2018, they had 1,529...

So what is your definition of a glut?

 

[JSW]

For those that say there are too many cars on dealers lots:

My former dealer has 729 vehicles showing in his inventory. He also have 28 in transit and 95 on on order.

Courtesy of the Wayback Machine, on May 2, 2018, it had 1,732 vehicles (no breakdown)...

Bill Brown Ford, currently the largest Ford dealer in the country, has 607 in stock, 10 in transit, and 102 on order. On Jan 17, 2018, they had 1,529...

So what is your definition of a glut?

Props for wayback - love it!
On a relative basis, at approximately the time you reference, it was considered a Buyers market with good rebate/incentives- and that was with approximately 70 days inventory… So a couple hundred days inventory is notable.

I believe folks are just shocked by speed with which the EV market shifted from a Sellers market (with Dealer ADM) to a Buyers market (with price cuts and incentives). I know I was surprised when a friend bought a Mach-e a few weeks ago because he was seduced by the year end offerings in the Toledo area(not far from us in SE MI).

THis is my 4th EV. I know I’m not patient and always on the prowl for newer technology, longer range, etc. A decent resale value enables this addiction, while a poor resale value inhibits it. The fact that I just got a new 12v battery is an indication to/for me that I’m holding onto this EV for an unprecedented 4th year…..

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Yet my servicing dealer never has an EV loaner.

Right. WTF is up with that? Same here.

Also, this is a Ford (right now) problem, not necessarily a global electrification problem. The US has a lot of characteristics that make BEV adoption disproportionate by state and region. I really like the MME as a vehicle but I'm under no illusion that it is the BEV for the masses. In my humble opinion, that BEV doesn't exist yet.

Ford and its dealers have some decisions to make regarding the Mach-E it seems.

 

[Bill T]

in the long run electric vehicles with 5-moving parts drivetrains are bound to dominate over time the ICE vehicles with their 300-400 moving parts drivetrains. This great, great advantage has even been acknowledged by the fossil fuel and ICE favoring Rio Grande Institute. So, the real concern is batteries which my EE friends say the solution to battery issues is also a matter of time. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my Mach E and am proud to have invested in their evolution. (ps I laugh at the naysayer clickbait)

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